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DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer * 1
    #21650577 - 05/07/15 08:10 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

The DEA are evil, evil people. 






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DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer

Posted: 05/07/2015 4:43 pm EDT

After scraping together enough money to produce a music video in Hollywood, 22-year-old Joseph Rivers set out last month on a train trip from Michigan to Los Angeles, hoping it was the start of something big.

Before he made it to California, however, Rivers fell victim to a legal form of government highway robbery.

Rivers changed trains at the Amtrak station in Albuquerque, New Mexico, on April 15, with bags containing his clothes, other possessions and an envelope filled with the $16,000 in cash he had raised with the help of his family, the Albuquerque Journal reports. Agents with the Drug Enforcement Administration got on after him and began looking for people who might be trafficking drugs.

Rivers said the agents questioned passengers at random, asking for their destination and reason for travel. When one of the agents got to Rivers, who was the only black person in his car, according to witnesses, the agent took the interrogation further, asking to search his bags. Rivers complied. The agent found the cash -- still in a bank envelope -- and decided to seize it on suspicion that it may be tied to narcotics. River pleaded with the agents, explaining his situation and even putting his mother on the phone to verify the story.

No luck.

“These officers took everything that I had worked so hard to save and even money that was given to me by family that believed in me,” Rivers told the Journal. “I told (the DEA agents) I had no money and no means to survive in Los Angeles if they took my money. They informed me that it was my responsibility to figure out how I was going to do that.”

Rivers, who has since returned to Michigan, fell victim to civil asset forfeiture, a legal tool that has been criticized as a violation of due process and a contradiction of the idea that criminal defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Asset forfeiture allows police to seize property they suspect is related to criminal activity, without even charging its owner with a crime. The charges are filed against the property itself -- including cash, jewelry, cars and houses -- which can then be sold, with part of the proceeds flowing back to the department that made the seizure.

“We don’t have to prove that the person is guilty,” Sean Waite, the agent in charge at the DEA's Albuquerque's office, told the Journal. “It’s that the money is presumed to be guilty.”

The burden of proof lies with those whose property is taken, who often are forced to wage costly court battles to prove they came by their possessions legally.

That's where Michael Pancer, a San Diego attorney who now represents Rivers, comes in.

“What this is, is having your money stolen by a federal agent acting under the color of law,” Pancer told the Journal. “It’s a national epidemic. If my office got four to five cases just recently, and I’m just one attorney, you know this is happening thousands of times.”

Pancer is challenging the DEA asset forfeiture on Rivers' behalf, and wrote in a letter to Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), obtained by The Huffington Post, that Rivers' race "played a role in the incident." Conyers' office wouldn't comment on active litigation.

A February report by the Institute for Justice, a libertarian group that focuses on civil liberties, showed how widespread civil asset forfeiture has become. The federal program led to nearly $6.8 billion in seized cash and property from 2008 to 2013, the report says. A series in The Washington Post published last year showed that since 2001, $2.5 billion had been seized in cash alone -- all from people who were never charged with a crime and without a warrant being issued.

While law enforcement officials argue that civil asset forfeiture is an important weapon for fighting the drug trade, stories like Rivers' emerge regularly, suggesting that plenty of innocent people are have become collateral damage.

Take the case of Matt Lee, 31, who in 2011 was pulled over by police in Nevada while on the last leg of a cross-country move from Michigan to California. In an ensuing K-9 search, police discovered $2,400 in cash, loaned to Lee by his father. Though officers had no proof of any connection to a crime -- Lee had never even been arrested before -- they seized the cash and Lee with $151. Lee later hired a lawyer, and the county eventually agreed to return his money. By then, his legal fees had reached $1,269, leaving Lee with less than half of the money that had been taken from him.

Civil asset forfeiture isn't just being used to take down big-time drug dealers. A recent study by the Drug Police Alliance on the practice in California found that the average value of a state forfeiture in 2013 was $5,145, adjusted to 1992 dollars. This number has changed little since 1992, when 94 percent of state forfeitures involved seizures of $5,000 or less.

A DEA list of recently seized property, released on Thursday, reflects this trend, listing seizures of a few hundred dollars alongside high-value items and cash.

Growing criticism of civil asset forfeiture has led to calls for change in some states. In New Mexico, where Rivers' money was seized, Gov. Susana Martinez (R) signed a set of reforms last month that will effectively end the most controversial use of the practice by police at state level. In Montana, a new law will scale back civil asset forfeiture by state and local police.

But these reforms don't affect the ability of federal agents to seize property under federal rules, meaning we will likely continue to see stories like Rivers'.


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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #21650771 - 05/07/15 09:03 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

"Come on guy's it's not because he's black:rolleyes:"

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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #21650787 - 05/07/15 09:07 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

fucking pile of crap this country has turned into.

that and.... leave it to a lawyer to not know if he has 4 or 5 cases.


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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: Learyfan]
    #21650891 - 05/07/15 09:38 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)



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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: Shiithead] * 3
    #21652093 - 05/08/15 06:40 AM (9 years, 12 days ago)

Im too sick to rant. These fuckers crush dreams and do the cartels bidding, robbing kids and having cocaine hooker partys down south, sellin more dope then pablo and leaving piles of bodies along the way, in the words of my father " jesus Christ goddamit!!!!!!!

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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: joe2] * 1
    #21652112 - 05/08/15 06:49 AM (9 years, 12 days ago)

Shocking. I already thought quite low about some ridiculous American laws (patriot act, three strikes out for instance) but this is bad. I understand the need to question someone who's carrying around a shitload of cash but just seizing it like that... Bullshit.

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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: Learyfan]
    #21652303 - 05/08/15 08:01 AM (9 years, 12 days ago)

On the plus side we are at least spared what I can only presume to be yet another shitty rap video.

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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: Revok]
    #21652822 - 05/08/15 10:56 AM (9 years, 12 days ago)

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“We don’t have to prove that the person is guilty,” Sean Waite, the agent in charge at the DEA's Albuquerque's office, told the Journal. “It’s that the money is presumed to be guilty.”




It is perfectly legal.  I hold the policy makers responsible for this bull shit problem not the DEA.

It is pretty suspicious for anyone to have 16K in an envelope on their person though, it's bullshit it was forfeited but I can completely understand why the agents thought it came from drug trafficking.


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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: Revok]
    #21653172 - 05/08/15 12:42 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

LOL

implied racism assuming it would be rap not another genre, but

LOL

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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21653492 - 05/08/15 02:09 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

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“We don’t have to prove that the person is guilty,” Sean Waite, the agent in charge at the DEA's Albuquerque's office, told the Journal. “It’s that the money is presumed to be guilty.”




It is perfectly legal.  I hold the policy makers responsible for this bull shit problem not the DEA.

It is pretty suspicious for anyone to have 16K in an envelope on their person though, it's bullshit it was forfeited but I can completely understand why the agents thought it came from drug trafficking.





You are right. Still the DEA is acting out the bidding of the policy makers in as irrational of a way possible, from news of late.

But really why didn't this kid put it on a fuckin card :shrug:
Who carries that much cash? He's ignorant at the least,

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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: Namyellit]
    #21653540 - 05/08/15 02:25 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

It's suspicious for anyone to carry around 16k in cash on their persons whether you black white or pink.  People just want reality to be exciting or match their world view, I bet this article doesn't get published if it was a white guy.  Since he is black this only happened because he's black... :rolleyes:


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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21653565 - 05/08/15 02:30 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

you do realize that prepaid cards cost a lot in fees.

and that somepeople DONT have bank accounts

(i mean wellsfargo has free checking if you have over 1k in the bank, but... yeah)

even gold and silver have transfer fees.

he should have done the deal in bitcoin.


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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: rxb]
    #21653919 - 05/08/15 04:00 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: Konyap]
    #21654132 - 05/08/15 04:46 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

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This has nothing to do with the situation.  Having 16k in your pocket is suspicious, we have to change the bullshit law that allows the DEA to legally steal peoples money.


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Re: DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because He Must Be A Drug Dealer [Re: Cognitive_Shift] * 1
    #21654948 - 05/08/15 08:47 PM (9 years, 11 days ago)

I'm trying to make the point it's illegal to confiscate something that's legal:facepalm:
If it's evidence then there needs to be a crime being commited

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