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manske method extraction....confused...
    #21643746 - 05/06/15 11:13 AM (9 years, 14 days ago)

have some Syrian rue seeds on the way. just looking into the extraction methodsand was feeling a little overwhelmed. I have never done an extraction and dammit chemistry class was so very long ago :-)! I read a piece on erowid and it seems to have a simple extraction and a more complicated extraction.

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Take rue, powder it, place it water with small amount of acetic acid (distilled vinager) bring to simmer, cool and strain, repeat at least once, on the last batch, add the strained water hot and dissolve a good quantity of non iodized salt into the water, place in fridge/freezer (watch it so it don't freeze and break your container) and cool down to really cold, brownish orange flakes will percipitate out, let set in fridge until flakes settle to bottom, pour off excess liquid, then filter the rest through a coffee filter, wash with cold salt water, dry and scrape off the powder.

This is extremely efficient and I understand is the technique used in the field to test for harmaline.

^^^^^^^this seems like a relatively straightforward extraction as opposed to the more complicated one that comes after this! I could really use some guidance from someone who's done this before :-)! Thanks again shroomery :-)!


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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: voodoochild1000] * 2
    #21643916 - 05/06/15 12:16 PM (9 years, 14 days ago)

check out this, explains the process very well
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/The_Tao_of_Rue_Extraction

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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: thoraxx]
    #21644200 - 05/06/15 01:49 PM (9 years, 14 days ago)

Damn.....that seems pretty complicated to me.....I think I could give it a try but wish there was something a little simpler. I guess there's no way to get that high quality of a product with a simpler method. I'm a little concerned about the use of ligh and then having to return it to a food grade. I certainly don't want to f*** that up.should I have just spent more money and got the 25 X harmala?.....I should have done a little bit more research I guess lol :-)


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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: voodoochild1000] * 1
    #21644225 - 05/06/15 01:58 PM (9 years, 14 days ago)

Follow the Tao of rue it's not as complicated as it looks. Do it 5 times in a row you won't even be looking at instructions anymore. I could probably do that tek from memory still lol.


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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: Zombi3]
    #21644303 - 05/06/15 02:26 PM (9 years, 14 days ago)

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Follow the Tao of rue it's not as complicated as it looks. Do it 5 times in a row you won't even be looking at instructions anymore. I could probably do that tek from memory still lol.



I'm extremely leary about using methanol and end up blinding myself or something horrible....I guess what I was thinking about was just doing the boil it in a pot and filter it down and drink the condensed brew.....honestly I don't trust myself enough to use toxic chemicals in an extraction process that I'm a little unsure of sounds like a recipe not only for alkaloids but potentially for disaster. I was reading that you could just use citrus instead?can anyone give me any information about doing it with the much simpler technique of just boiling it and straining it and drinking the brew?


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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21646790 - 05/06/15 11:02 PM (9 years, 13 days ago)

methanol?
The tek that i linked is completely food safe and doesnt involve any solvents at all

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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: thoraxx]
    #21648484 - 05/07/15 09:58 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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methanol?
The tek that i linked is completely food safe and doesnt involve any solvents at all




sorry I must have read that in another tek. I think I can give this a try although I don't want to use lye. so if I use the sodium carbonate that is food safe all the way through? it has one step where you can use lye and apparently it gets washed out but I don't understand what they mean by washing? I have a little more research to do I guess. I will update this or a new post when I am doing the extraction and hopefully you and anyone else can Shepard me along a little bit :-)! This s*** is amazing stuff though! I have learned so much on shroomery and it has made the psychedelic experience a much richer 1. seems like the most complicated part is putting the right amount of salt in! also I found some other much simpler techniques where you crush the seeds and boil them and do a couple steps and then drink the nasty brew. do you know anything about that? Clearly you get a much higher quality product by doing the extraction. what exactly are you supposed to do with the crystals? do you read is all of them or smoke them? put them in a pill? Sorry about all the questions but I greatly appreciate the help :-)!


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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21648716 - 05/07/15 11:08 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

Check out this alternative: A new level of harmala purity with this extraction

If you decide on the Hasenfratz extraction* (mislabeled as the Manske extraction) check out this post of poke smot's. He's a Syrian rue expert.

Yet another harmala extraction, two methods this time *UPDATED 9/9*




And get that harmaline out of it: http://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Harmalas_Extraction_and_Separation_Guide

Caapi contains Harmine and Tetrahydroharmine and as such feels MUCH smoother + cleaner + less disorienting then Rue which contains high amounts of Harmaline.

Harmaline is what you want to avoid. Caapi contains little to no Harmaline while Rue contains large amounts of harmaline.


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*Hasenfratz et al. [Translation: Extraction of Harmine and Harmaline from Peganum harmala]. Annales de chimie et de physique, 1927, 10(7):151. Included in The Alkaloids vol. 8 by R.H.F. Manske.


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I'm extremely leary about using methanol and end up blinding myself or something horrible....




You shouldn't worry about that. When methanol evaporates, it literally goes away almost completely. I think one will always find higher levels of methanol in beer than in an extract they've produce via the use of methanol.

Edited by s240779 (05/07/15 11:14 AM)

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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: s240779]
    #21648833 - 05/07/15 11:37 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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Da2ra said:
Check out this alternative: A new level of harmala purity with this extraction

If you decide on the Hasenfratz extraction* (mislabeled as the Manske extraction) check out this post of poke smot's. He's a Syrian rue expert.

Yet another harmala extraction, two methods this time *UPDATED 9/9*




And get that harmaline out of it: http://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Harmalas_Extraction_and_Separation_Guide

Caapi contains Harmine and Tetrahydroharmine and as such feels MUCH smoother + cleaner + less disorienting then Rue which contains high amounts of Harmaline.

Harmaline is what you want to avoid. Caapi contains little to no Harmaline while Rue contains large amounts of harmaline.


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*Hasenfratz et al. [Translation: Extraction of Harmine and Harmaline from Peganum harmala]. Annales de chimie et de physique, 1927, 10(7):151. Included in The Alkaloids vol. 8 by R.H.F. Manske.


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I'm extremely leary about using methanol and end up blinding myself or something horrible....




You shouldn't worry about that. When methanol evaporates, it literally goes away almost completely. I think one will always find higher levels of methanol in beer than in an extract they've produce via the use of methanol.




are you saying I shouldn't even f*** with Syrian rue? I like that tech it looks relatively straightforward.....the sodium carbonate part looks like the most important.looks like you get and Awesome finished product! and I'm assuming this is much cleaner than making a brew as far as pulling the s*** out of it! I just think I'm going to need a little bit of guidance with the sodium carbonate. should I make my own with baking soda or should I buying a pound of it on Amazon?how much will I need for 300 of seeds?


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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: voodoochild1000] * 1
    #21648884 - 05/07/15 11:52 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

I don't know, but another thing you could do is pay someone else to do the extraction for you. I don't know if it's OK to make such a request on The Shroomery, but you also have the forums that belong to the deep web markets (each market has its own forum; Black Bank is one of the most reliable markets; http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets) and http://www.chemsrus.com ; It might be the better way to go as someone may already have everything they need to do the extraction and and be 100% prepared to do such an extraction.

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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21648945 - 05/07/15 12:08 PM (9 years, 13 days ago)

Take your Rue, leave it as the whole seeds (don't powder em' up), boil the whole seeds like 3 to 4 times, pouring each boil off through a coffee filter into a big pot. Once all the boils are combined, reduce it down to about 400 to 800mls and allow it to cool to room temp. Then take 10 grams of washing soda (sodium carbonate) per 400mls of brew, dissolve it into like 100mls of hot water, once dissolved pour it into the brew and stir. This will precipitate out the freebased impure full spectrum extract, which you filter out by pouring the brew through a coffee filter. Once you have your extract, take 100mls of vinegar and mix it into 300mls of warm water, and dunk your coffee filter in there to make sure all your extract goes into the water. Give the liquid a stir, and try to make everything dissolve, what doesn't dissolve is plant gunk that will be filtered out. So once everything is dissolved, filter the liquid through a coffee filter, there should be black gunk in there, keep the liquid, throw the coffee filter away, and re-base the liquid with 10 grams of washing soda which will precipitate out a cleaner extract, filter the extract out, and clean it up further by re-doing the vinegar and washing soda step a few more times until you're left with a clean extract.

Then you can do the Manske if you wish, you just take your pure freebased extract, dissolve it into some vinegar water, heat the liquid up on the stove and toss in some salt (i forgot how much salt, so you'd need to look that up). Once the salt is dissolved, sit the liquid in the fridge overnight. It'll precipitate out the pure Harmalas, which you can filter out and re-dissolve it into some warm water, and re-base with washing soda in order to get rid of any salt contamination, and once the extract is dry, you can encapsulate it, or make it into a tea using some citric acid water.


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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: Sabnock]
    #21648970 - 05/07/15 12:17 PM (9 years, 13 days ago)

Theres really nothing wrong with lye, unless you get it boiling in your face, but the sodium carb works
just look up bicarbonate conversion to make some and always use a fully saturated solution otherwise its just too weak

of course you can just make tea, boil the crushed seeds in some acidic water and run trough a crude filter
This is a seriously nasty brew tho and the taste isnt the only side effect, but will get the job done
3-5g for MAOI, even more and you get a challenging trip from the harmalas alone


Interesting tek da2ra, have you tried it?

Im wondering whether its worth blowing quite a bit of alcohol on the first step vs the regular acid boil, better purity or higher yields?
I always thought alcohol would pull more oils and shit than just plain water


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Take your Rue, leave it as the whole seeds (don't powder em' up), boil the whole seeds like 3 to 4 times, pouring each boil off through a coffee filter into a big pot.




That works better than grinding them up?
I can see how itd be much easier to filter, but how much of your yield goes down the drain like that?
Rue is pretty cheap, but i had great success with putting the sludge in the fridge for a few days and decanting, after that it already runs trough a coffee filter

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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: thoraxx]
    #21648984 - 05/07/15 12:20 PM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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Interesting tek da2ra, have you tried it?




Nope.

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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: thoraxx]
    #21649035 - 05/07/15 12:33 PM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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Theres really nothing wrong with lye, unless you get it boiling in your face, but the sodium carb works.

That works better than grinding them up?
I can see how itd be much easier to filter, but how much of your yield goes down the drain like that?
Rue is pretty cheap, but i had great success with putting the sludge in the fridge for a few days and decanting, after that it already runs trough a coffee filter




I myself don't like the idea of using lye, especially when washing soda get's the job done pretty well. I've used washing soda for both Harmala extractions and DMT extractions, i've never used lye and the washing soda always works well. You don't need a saturated solution, you just need enough to bump up the ph, which 10 grams per 400mls works and is the measurement on the Tao of Rue tek.

As for using whole seeds, it's just as good as using ground seeds except it's easier to filter, there's no loss in potency or yield. I personally have extracted from both whole and ground seed, and they both yielded the same amount. I usually get about 4 grams of extract from 100 grams of Rue seed.


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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: Sabnock]
    #21649134 - 05/07/15 01:03 PM (9 years, 13 days ago)

Seeds just got in......300g.

  any suggestions on how to use?

...I'm thinking about taking 200 grams and doing an extraction with that. Then playing around with the other 100 grams making brew. so I could really use a suggestion on how many grams of seeds I should boil to make an individual dose for myself? just trying to understand how much seeds actually make a DOS? when people refer to 3 to 5 grams as an MAOI type dose I'm assuming they're referring to the pure alkaloid.?what is the seed weight to pure alkaloid extraction ratio?

thank you all very much for the knowledgeable information :-)! Shroomery continues to be an amazing experience and I am very excited to learn and collect gnosis through this experience. namaste :-)


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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21649218 - 05/07/15 01:23 PM (9 years, 13 days ago)

lol no
alkaloids are active at maybe 200mg, which takes about 3-5g rue seeds or 50g caapi vine

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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: thoraxx]
    #21649302 - 05/07/15 01:48 PM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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lol no
alkaloids are active at maybe 200mg, which takes about 3-5g rue seeds or 50g caapi vine




Lol...uh...ok.....whew!....thank God for shroomery! :-) okay so three to five grams of seeds brew down would be an maoi dose? would that also gives me a psychedelic effect by itself? Thinking I will start with 3 grams of seeds and see what that does for me. the bag that I got is from a company called sadaf....looks like something that would be on the shelf at a Middle Eastern Market. it says not edible on the label and the ingredients say wild rue......should I be concerned about the not edible label?


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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21652992 - 05/08/15 11:50 AM (9 years, 12 days ago)

Boiling 3.4 grams of seeds.....gonna do 3 boils about 30 min. Each....filter after each boil....and condense. ....diet?....I eat chicken with potato saladfor dinner last night and I've only drank coffee today..........allgood?


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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21653262 - 05/08/15 12:59 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

I found that theres no need for an MAOI diet for the few times that you use oral harmalas
Diet in general does matter somewhat and fasting is usually optimal

Ding multiple boils for just a few gram of tea is exessive tho, just put the crushed seeds in a teabag and steep until its cooled down
Might not be as efficient but you can always dose higher, rue is dirt cheap

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Re: manske method extraction....confused... [Re: thoraxx]
    #21653373 - 05/08/15 01:35 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

good to know we'll just do the simple he in the future for an individual dose. its done and about to give it the taste test so will drop a post in a little bit. we ground some and filtered it and smoked about a dozen bong hits each of the powder this morning gave a mild sadative effect and almost imperceptible visual effects. interesting stuff! :-) thanks again for all the info :-)!


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