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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21648668 - 05/07/15 10:53 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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Nonsense.

Creationism is the belief that the Universe and Life originate "from specific acts of divine creation." For young Earth creationists, this includes taking a Biblical literalism to the Genesis creation narrative and the rejection of the scientific theory of evolution.




What I am telling you is not all creationists are young earth creationists .

What you are saying is true of young earth creationists but not all creationists generally.

That's why the term "young earth" creationist exists , to differentiate it from other forms of creationism that do not assume a young earth or necessarily have any relation to the bible or biblical literalism .

Do you really think the only people who believe in a creator are Christians ?

The idea of a creator has been  around much longer then Christianity or the bible.

Even some modern scientists believe In a creator but not a young earth or biblical literalism.

If I believe God caused the Big Bang and designed life including evolution billions of years ago I am still a creationist.

All biblical literalists are creationists , but not all creationists are biblical literalists .

Even the bible doesn't say the earth is ten thousand or six thousand years old.




Old earth creationist can believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old but still reject evolution as a fact.

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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Achillita]
    #21648670 - 05/07/15 10:54 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

To believe in a religion, you don't have to give up any notions of science. I mean I love science, and I love where we are going with it. But I can still believe that the big bang and evolution happened with out losing my faith.

Personally in my faith, humans aren't the center of the universe. God didn't create us to be masters. We are just animals that grew to be the way we are. I mean even my religion has a slight notion of some sort of change to being humans, or at least our migration. It says we came to the land from the water. Never said we came out as how we are today, just we came out of water before we became us.

Anyways, if a scientist is religious, but doesn't use his faith in the lab. Does that really make him any less religious or any less scientific?


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Achillita]
    #21648674 - 05/07/15 10:55 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

Name one religious scientist.

I don't think they exist.


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21648679 - 05/07/15 10:58 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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Name one religious scientist.

I don't think they exist.




The do exist. Look this guy work on nuclear stuff and is christian. The guy with the white hair. But still they will debate the rational with the irrational and the rational always win.


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21648681 - 05/07/15 10:59 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

Some creationists reject evolution and some accept it.

There is no inherent contradiction between creationism and evolution.

You just have to believe god created life as we know it including it's propensity to change and evolve over time.

And there are thousands of religious scientists.


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21648684 - 05/07/15 11:01 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

They most likely exist, but in any case will probably be less than vocal about their beliefs. I mean, even muttering you might be religious in the scientific community could ruin your reputation.

I personally think that's stupid. I mean if they have made it to the point of doing actual research, then they should be trusted to separate their beliefs from the science.


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21648687 - 05/07/15 11:02 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

Human design is not intelligent design.

So if something influenced our evolution they did not do a very good job at all.


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21648698 - 05/07/15 11:05 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

I don't think human evolution was influenced by god. I mean why would an all loving god choose one of it's creatures to rule and harm the other creatures. I just think humans rose to the power. They threw the balance of the world off.

Definately not intelligent design.


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21648704 - 05/07/15 11:06 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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Some creationists reject evolution and some accept it.

There is no inherent contradiction between creationism and evolution.

You just have to believe god created life as we know it including it's propensity to change and evolve over time.

And there are thousands of religious scientists.




Not even the pope don't believe in evolution these days. What i was talking about the OP post was of course the creationists that have this blurry vision of how earth was born and mankind. I didn't know there were non-ignorant creationists. That's new stuff for me. For me they were only intelligent Christians.

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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Achillita]
    #21648705 - 05/07/15 11:06 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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I don't think human evolution was influenced by god. I mean why would an all loving god choose one of it's creatures to rule and harm the other creatures. I just think humans rose to the power. They threw the balance of the world off.

Definately not intelligent design.



So why wouldn't god just wipe our entire species from existence and start fresh?


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21648720 - 05/07/15 11:08 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

Evolution by natural selection is all about creatures suffering. If god was assisting evolution some how he likes to see creatures suffering.

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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21648732 - 05/07/15 11:11 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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Name one religious scientist.

I don't think they exist.




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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21648738 - 05/07/15 11:12 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

Balance will be achieved eventually. But I mean all loving, plus I don't think god acts much in our world directly.

Plus in my opinion all life is sacred, even the dangerous things. Why would you want to destroy so much life? It's an important force. Not to mention through out all of earths history something throughs it out of balance. Life recovers and grows.

If we truly are not meant to be here, I think we'll just kill ourselves off, even if most of the planet's life comes with us. But that's how evolution works.


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21648749 - 05/07/15 11:14 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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Evolution by natural selection is all about creatures suffering. If god was assisting evolution some how he likes to see creatures suffering.



I mean without suffering, there isn't much pleasure. Happiness can't exist without sadness. I know it's a duality way to think about it, but if we can't experience the lows of the world, the highs just aren't that great.


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Achillita]
    #21648758 - 05/07/15 11:16 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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Evolution by natural selection is all about creatures suffering. If god was assisting evolution some how he likes to see creatures suffering.



I mean without suffering, there isn't much pleasure. Happiness can't exist without sadness. I know it's a duality way to think about it, but if we can't experience the lows of the world, the highs just aren't that great.



So what about an innocent child born in a third world country who spends his whole life suffering? Is that so is "highs" feel better?


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21648765 - 05/07/15 11:17 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

No Idea what you are trying to say.

Also after a google search I realized i was wrong.

There are not thousands of religious scientists.

There are millions in America alone.


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21648786 - 05/07/15 11:22 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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Evolution by natural selection is all about creatures suffering. If god was assisting evolution some how he likes to see creatures suffering.



I mean without suffering, there isn't much pleasure. Happiness can't exist without sadness. I know it's a duality way to think about it, but if we can't experience the lows of the world, the highs just aren't that great.



So what about an innocent child born in a third world country who spends his whole life suffering? Is that so is "highs" feel better?



In a whole species wide scale, yes. It sounds cold but it's pretty much true. The thing is, the human race is easily able to help that child out. It's ale to stop starvation in many third world countries, but instead spend it's money fighting and killing each other.

The child does nothing, but the evils of man can't be blamed on any god. If a genocide happens people will blame god for not helping, but forget who started it in the first place. Man is the root of most of his own problems. If a god swooped in and saved everything on the planet, no one would be alive. Every single man is capable of doing evil. And every single man has done evil. The universe is chaos, god is chaos, the only ones who are putting up order is man.


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Achillita]
    #21648796 - 05/07/15 11:26 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

God brought the child into existence, in a terrible area to live. That's not evils of man.

We're evil because we're not spoon feeding Africa? God created man and therefore created the evil of man as well. So either way, if you belive in God, you can't say that he's not the cause of evil in man, because he created man with the ability to be evil.

Plus burning in hell for all eternity isn't very loving and kind. That's pretty evil too, that making a mistake, will cause you an eternity of suffering.


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21648835 - 05/07/15 11:37 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

Well I'm not christian and don't believe in hell. Or that humans are chose by god, just that we are alive.

Evil can not exist without good, but to complain about the starving of some people and then saying that we shouldn't spoon feed them is kinda contradictory. Not all of africa is in poverty or starving. It's literally in the minority of some countries that are in starvation. There are starving people in america. Hell there are 1.6 million homeless children in america, no doubt having trouble with food.

Plus we went over this already Psychonautica, an all powerful god isn't truly malevolent or benevolent, it'd most likely be neutral.


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Re: Atheism vs religion poll discussion. [Re: Achillita]
    #21648899 - 05/07/15 11:56 AM (9 years, 13 days ago)

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Plus we went over this already Psychonautica, an all powerful god isn't truly malevolent or benevolent, it'd most likely be neutral.




If we don't need a benevolent god nowadays. A neutral god is even more useless.

The god of the old testament was anything but benevolent. It seems to be a pretty bad guy.

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