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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#21644296 - 05/06/15 02:23 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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I don't think it's rap music thug culture is in one way shape or form in all genres and races.
Again the death of the middle class and the broken American culture has more to do with it then rap . Well that and the drug war.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: trekie]
#21644309 - 05/06/15 02:27 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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I just see a lot of "fuck the cops" rhetoric which is predictable in a pro-drug forum.
There's an old saying though "don't shoot the messenger."
The people to be angry at are the people making policy, not the people enforcing the laws IMO. Being a police officer is an extremely difficult job. Yes they make mistakes like all humans but they're the wrong people to be angry at, if you're mad because your community is shit, that's not the fault of the police.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: Cognitive_Shift] 2
#21644320 - 05/06/15 02:30 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: I just see a lot of "fuck the cops" rhetoric which is predictable in a pro-drug forum.
There's an old saying though "don't shoot the messenger."
The people to be angry at are the people making policy, not the people enforcing the laws IMO. Being a police officer is an extremely difficult job. Yes they make mistakes like all humans but they're the wrong people to be angry at, if you're mad because your community is shit, that's not the fault of the police.
No. The problem is the cops. Their culture is corrupt. This isn't about the community being shit, this is about the police coming into those community and violating people's rights on a daily basis.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: koods]
#21644331 - 05/06/15 02:33 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Again blame the policy makers who make stopping and searching a person based on "reasonable suspicion" totally legal.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#21644344 - 05/06/15 02:35 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: Again blame the policy makers who make stopping and searching a person based on "reasonable suspicion" totally legal.
Cops. Cops get what they want because when they don't they make the system not work. They are like the mafia.
No they are worse than the mafia becasue they kill a lot more people.
Edited by koods (05/06/15 02:40 PM)
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#21644347 - 05/06/15 02:36 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: Just because an argument is logical doesn't make it a reality... just sayin'
no, but it does mean that it can addressed, as opposed to put into a corner.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: koods] 1
#21644361 - 05/06/15 02:40 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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koods said:
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Cognitive_Shift said: I just see a lot of "fuck the cops" rhetoric which is predictable in a pro-drug forum.
There's an old saying though "don't shoot the messenger."
The people to be angry at are the people making policy, not the people enforcing the laws IMO. Being a police officer is an extremely difficult job. Yes they make mistakes like all humans but they're the wrong people to be angry at, if you're mad because your community is shit, that's not the fault of the police.
No. The problem is the cops. Their culture is corrupt. This isn't about the community being shit, this is about the police coming into those community and violating people's rights on a daily basis.
No, the problem is that a lot of civilians, far more than cops, are fucking assholes who violate people's rights every day and you don't say shit about it. Every asshole who steals violates the right to property. Every asshole who punches somebody violates the right to be secure in your person.
The cops, by and large, are the protectors of rights. And most of you have no fucking clue what "rights" are.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: koods]
#21644362 - 05/06/15 02:40 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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koods said:
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Cognitive_Shift said: I just see a lot of "fuck the cops" rhetoric which is predictable in a pro-drug forum.
There's an old saying though "don't shoot the messenger."
The people to be angry at are the people making policy, not the people enforcing the laws IMO. Being a police officer is an extremely difficult job. Yes they make mistakes like all humans but they're the wrong people to be angry at, if you're mad because your community is shit, that's not the fault of the police.
No. The problem is the cops. Their culture is corrupt. This isn't about the community being shit, this is about the police coming into those community and violating people's rights on a daily basis.
The problem are the stupid drug laws which allow over policing to take place, cops are just following the bullshit laws. Where is the outrage about this fact from the "protesters"? It always, "please be more nice to us because we are black" crap, they never address the real issues.
"This isn't about the community being shit"
Really? DO you think the Baltimore's of the US wound turn into some type of paradise if the cops behaved better? They are still going to be shit holes at the end of the day, no police department is going to change that ugly reality.
Who kills 99.999% of young black males in these cities? It isn't the police.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: koods]
#21644369 - 05/06/15 02:42 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: Again blame the policy makers who make stopping and searching a person based on "reasonable suspicion" totally legal.
Cops. Cops get what they want because when they don't they make the system not work. They are like the mafia.
No they are worse than the mafia becasue they kill a lot more people.
What the fuck are you babbling about now? Almost every single one of the people they kill desperately deserves it.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#21644372 - 05/06/15 02:43 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Well, first off a civilian cannot violate the constitutional rights of another civilian. The rights of the constitution protect civilians against the government (ie cops)
CS, one of the strongest anti-legalization lobbies is law enforcement.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: zappaisgod]
#21644378 - 05/06/15 02:44 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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no, not "almost all" but "alot of".
there are plenty of instance's where a cop kills someone not for attempting to harm someone (violating their right to be* secure in their person) but for disobeying their orders.
so where is argument for that? because they don't follow their vocal commands they violate their right to ever talk again?
Edited by akira_akuma (05/06/15 03:00 PM)
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: qman]
#21644382 - 05/06/15 02:45 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: I just see a lot of "fuck the cops" rhetoric which is predictable in a pro-drug forum.
There's an old saying though "don't shoot the messenger."
The people to be angry at are the people making policy, not the people enforcing the laws IMO. Being a police officer is an extremely difficult job. Yes they make mistakes like all humans but they're the wrong people to be angry at, if you're mad because your community is shit, that's not the fault of the police.
No. The problem is the cops. Their culture is corrupt. This isn't about the community being shit, this is about the police coming into those community and violating people's rights on a daily basis.
The problem are the stupid drug laws which allow over policing to take place, cops are just following the bullshit laws. Where is the outrage about this fact from the "protesters"? It always, "please be more nice to us because we are black" crap, they never address the real issues.
"This isn't about the community being shit"
Really? DO you think the Baltimore's of the US wound turn into some type of paradise if the cops behaved better? They are still going to be shit holes at the end of the day, no police department is going to change that ugly reality.
Who kills 99.999% of young black males in these cities? It isn't the police.
Baltimore is a shithole and has been a shithole since I was a kid. Pull all the cops out and see what happens. They'll be crying for the army in a week. The residents of Baltimore are loser assholes. Have been for quite some time. The same is true of DC. Piss on them.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: akira_akuma]
#21644394 - 05/06/15 02:48 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said: no, not "almost all" but "alot of".
there are plenty of instance's where a cop kills someone not for attempting to harm someone (violating their right to secure in their person) but for disobeying their orders.
so where is argument for that? because they don't follow their vocal commands they violate their right to ever talk again?
You are quite wrong. Eric Garner? Eric Garner died of being fat and diabetic and asthmatic.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: zappaisgod]
#21644396 - 05/06/15 02:48 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Baltimore is a shithole and has been a shithole since I was a kid
i know, i see that cake guy on TV and i'm like "nuke it already".
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You are quite wrong. Eric Garner? Eric Garner died of being fat and diabetic and asthmatic.
hey now, address what i said. i didn't even mention Garner. c'mon, Red Herring man.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: akira_akuma]
#21644651 - 05/06/15 03:59 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Cant wait for the day all you cop hating retards need the police to come save your sorry ass
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: koods]
#21644706 - 05/06/15 04:12 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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koods said: Well, first off a civilian cannot violate the constitutional rights of another civilian. The rights of the constitution protect civilians against the government (ie cops)
CS, one of the strongest anti-legalization lobbies is law enforcement.
Actually this is not true, we live in maritime law - this means that you are a sovereign government, if you violate the peace treaty with the other nations (other people) you are in violation of the rights of the peoples under the statute of the land you exist on the soil of.
They should build fences around communities like these; the height and severity of security of the fence designated by the yearly crime rate, rather than sending more and more cops into them, just isolate them. We've done this before, they are called indian reservations. They actually live pretty good on their own lands, nearly doing what ever the fuck they want.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: drege]
#21644744 - 05/06/15 04:19 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Is that supported by courts? I thought that was just something mountain men upload to youtube to try and get out of paying taxes.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: Herbologist]
#21644746 - 05/06/15 04:19 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Herbologist said: Cant wait for the day all you cop hating retards need the police to come save your sorry ass 
yeah, don't address me when with your blatant disregard. i respect cops. i just don't respect dirty ones.
and just because i want cops to be held accountable for their actions, doesn't mean i'm "a cop hater".
broad strokes man. that's all you do.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: akira_akuma]
#21644769 - 05/06/15 04:22 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
You are quite wrong. Eric Garner? Eric Garner died of being fat and diabetic and asthmatic.
hey now, address what i said. i didn't even mention Garner. c'mon, Red Herring man.
Cite a specific example and I will opine on it. I admit I was speculating about the case you were referring to.
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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: akira_akuma]
#21644782 - 05/06/15 04:25 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Herbologist said: Cant wait for the day all you cop hating retards need the police to come save your sorry ass 
yeah, don't address me when with your blatant disregard. i respect cops. i just don't respect dirty ones.
and just because i want cops to be held accountable for their actions, doesn't mean i'm "a cop hater".
broad strokes man. that's all you do.
I don't think you are. But I do think there is a whole shitload of twinks on here who are. That's right bitches. I called you twinks. Now hold up your hands and be identified.
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