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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: ]
    #2166240 - 12/07/03 10:33 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

First off I don't think you find what you seek if you are looking in the wrong place.

Amen to that. BTW, I've been here at least as long as you have, and find this place to be not all that different from years ago. People come and go- same as it ever was. Sure, if you're pining for a certain individual you may be dissapointed.

One thing that has changed, and this is more reflective of culture at large, is that people don't take care in their posts in terms of spelling, punctuation, etc. I can think of several users in particular who shall go nameless. When I see their names pop up I sort of sigh and prepare to enter decode mode. Particularly when they use no caps at the beginning of sentences, and no paragraphs- just one big blob. I mean if you feel your ideas have merit why not make the effort to ensure they are well presented??

*rant mode off*


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Jellric]
    #2166277 - 12/07/03 11:03 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I'm talking specifically about the mind effects help in the computer industry

You have not yet said one specific thing. I personally worked with many of the BIGGIES in Silicon Valley including Steve Wozniak (Apple co-founder) and other incredibly brilliant minds. None of ever spoke of any correlation between drugs and inventing / creating nor did I witness anything of the sort.

Mozart claimed wine helped him to compose, yet he was a musical prodigy at age 5 long before he drank.

It is very difficult to draw ANY direct correlation. As many creative geniuses are drug free, do we claim that eating corn flakes was the "key" to their imagination? Must there be some external chemical stimuli?


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Swami]
    #2166284 - 12/07/03 11:06 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

A Bill Hicks quote seems appropriate here.

"I think drugs have done some good things for us, I really do. And if you don't think so, do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all your albums, all your CDs and burn them, because you know what? All the musicians that made all that great music? RRRRReal fucking high on drugs. The Beatles were so fucking high they let Ringo sing a few songs."


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2166289 - 12/07/03 11:09 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

:lol: blah...who cares anymore? :nut:


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Viaggio]
    #2166295 - 12/07/03 11:12 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

not you.
About what?


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2166300 - 12/07/03 11:15 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

A quote, while quaint shows little, but how about one DIRECTLY from an aforementioned Beatle?

From "Breaking Open The Head"

John Lennon was one of Leary's casualties. Lenbnon tripped on LSD over a thousand times in the late 1960s, leading to a long period of inactivity. "I got a message on acid that you should destroy your ego," he admitted later. "I was reading that stupid book of Leary's and all that shit. We were going through a whole game that everyone went through and I destroyed myself."

DIRECT FORM THE SOURCE! Wiggle away on that one.


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Swami]
    #2166310 - 12/07/03 11:23 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Heh... he says, "you should destroy your ego" and then.. "I destroyed myself"... isn't that one in the same? If he literally destroyed himself, he wouldn't be saying that. Sounds like he just damaged his ego.

Wiggle away on that one.
Nah. I don't even listen to the Beatles. I was just using good ol' Hicks' quote as it's a good one. It still applies to all my favorite bands and artists... the ones that inspired me to become a musician, and helped me to evolve. Hell, based on my personal (subjective) experience with entheogens, I experienced more learning and growth through mushrooms and dmt, then the sixties put together  :grin:


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2166312 - 12/07/03 11:27 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm going to have to get some Hicks from Kazaa to-day.


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2166318 - 12/07/03 11:32 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Wiggle away on that one.

Nah. I don't even listen to the Beatles.

That is a wiggle right there. You use Hicks to claim that the Beatles music was inspried by drugs and yet a major creative force behind the Beatles claims drugs shut down his creativity.

It still applies to all my favorite bands and artists...

Yet another wiggle.

Hendrix, Morrison, Joplin, Garcia, Cobain, etc. would be a lot more creative if they were alive instead of dead.


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Swami]
    #2166326 - 12/07/03 11:37 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Hendrix, Morrison, Joplin, Garcia, Cobain, etc. would be a lot more creative if they were alive instead of dead.

All of the above died from alcohol and heroin and pills. Not mind-expanding drugs


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Swami]
    #2166335 - 12/07/03 11:42 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Hey man don't read so deep into it. It was just a quote. The majority of the quote which you seem to be ignoring was that many if not most current musicians have been on drugs.


Hendrix, Morrison, Joplin, Garcia, Cobain, etc. would be a lot more creative if they were alive instead of dead.


A lot more creative in the physical plane, perhaps. I bet they're living it up on the other side. How about:

Opeth
Blind Guardian
Iced Earth
Nevermore
Symphony X
Dream Theater
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Death
In Flames
Tool
Dimmu Borgir
Therion


And any other of the hundred or so bands I listen to that are still alive and on all kinds of drugs, like mushrooms.


Nevermore said it best:
There's no control in the world today,
and there's still no order to this game we all play
Maybe none of us know what's real
There's no constraint when the walls cave in,
the neuron turn on, the game begins to fade away
Maybe none of us know, maybe none of us want to hear,
never push against the flow aimlessly
Feel the flow and let all thought fade, we shall be one
For this sacrament has begun
Lucy in the sky with diamond eyes, long since dark,
I wear her disguise of light
Maybe none of us know, maybe none of us want to hear,
never push against the flow aimlessly
Feel the flow and let all thought fade, we shall be one
For this sacrament has begun
This sacrament is a state of mind
There's no control in the world today,
and there's still no order to this game we all play called life
Maybe none of us know, maybe none of us want to hear,
never push against the flow aimlessly
Feel the flow and let all thought fade, we shall be one
Through this sacrament
Feel the flow and let all thought fade, we shall be one
For this sacrament has begun, this sacrament has begun
To become one with the flow is to realize purpose
To realize purpose is to become one with the flow
Become one with the flow, become one with the flow
This sacrament has begun


The seven tongues of god are in my mind,
they speak to me in ancient DNA design
I have never seen god, you have never seen god
And when they speak to me and the seven tongues align
programmed to desecrate the pretensions in your mind
To further complicate I will now state that your convictions lack definition and form



Yeah.. mushrooms induced ramblings that don't really go anywhere.. gotta love it.


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2166365 - 12/07/03 11:53 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Quick!!! Post more lyrics.. before he has a chance to respond!!

Opeth - The Apostle in Triumph

In solitude I wander....
Through the vast enchanted forest

The surrounding skies are one
Torn apart by the phenomenon of lightning
Rain is pouring down my (now) shivering shoulders
In the rain my tears are forever lost

The darkened oaks are my only shelter
Red leaves are blown by the wind
An ebony raven now catches my eyes
Sitting in calmness
Before spreading its black wings
Reaching for the skies

In this forest
Where wolves cry their agony unto the moon
My spirit is hidden
In the form of wisdom
Carved on a black stone

The only way to follow

Open your soul
Redeem, I am immortal

Blinded by a light
My soul is held up high in glory
I engulf the skies
The apostel in triumph

Through the eternal flame I travel
As the rain keeps falling....


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Jellric]
    #2166378 - 12/07/03 11:56 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)


All of the above died from alcohol and heroin and pills. Not mind-expanding drugs

Uh-huh. Their minds could not have been too expanded then to see the danger of what they were doing, could they?


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2166393 - 12/07/03 12:01 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I would just like to say that I am on drugs. Well, not at the moment. But I have one bowl left that I am saving. :grin:

Can I play bass guitar when I am not on drugs? Sure. I make it a point to feel creative and to be able to perform well when not on drugs. However, psychadelics certainly make me more creatitve. I consider it an aid.

See, I don't even know what it is that I am trying to say now. I just like totally zoned out on my bed, just breathing, and now I am just sitting in front of the computer, listening to some music and reading. *shrugs*

Maybe I just feel to reply when someone lists bands like Opeth, Nevermore, and Symphony X. :grin: Add IN FLAMES, TOOL, Dimmu Borgir, Dark Tranquillity, Iron Maiden,Therion, and Borknagar to that list and hell, that's me. hehe

I dunno, I guess I just can't really say what drugs do to other people. I only know myself and my thoughts, what I feel, and what I do because of those thoughts. I mean, I consider myself a nice person, I don't act negatively to people and I try to keep an open mind as much as possible. I have an interest that I wish to spend my life pursuing, and I mean, I pursue it. I am sober a lot of the time, but the drugs are definitely nice, and they help the creativity.

I seriously don't think any drugs are causing a devolution. Like I said earlier, it all depends on who is using them and how they are using them. Life is too short.. :grin:
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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2166402 - 12/07/03 12:05 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Add IN FLAMES, TOOL, Dimmu Borgir, Dark Tranquillity, Iron Maiden,Therion, and Borknagar to that list and hell
done and done  :grin:


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Swami]
    #2166407 - 12/07/03 12:07 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Their minds could not have been too expanded then to see the danger of what they were doing, could they?

They were fine until they got away from psychedelics into other drugs. Mind-expanding drugs are no panacea. As with usage of any substance, balanced usage is key. When Morrison got away from acid and turned towards alcohol his creativity tanked and then he commited suicide with heroin. All of the others you mentioned were heavily into alcohol and/or heroin.


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Jellric]
    #2166411 - 12/07/03 12:09 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

alcohol and heroin are bad mmmmk?


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Jellric]
    #2166415 - 12/07/03 12:11 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Ah, the old good drugs/bad drugs scenario. Sounds like government propaganda. :wink:

Still waiting for your SPECIFIC computer invention examples. Are you from Dodge City?


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Swami]
    #2166421 - 12/07/03 12:15 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I never made any such claim. Speaking of claims, when are you going to prove the premise of your thread, oh Dodge Master?

Time for a beer..


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Re: Mushrooms and Devolution [Re: Swami]
    #2166439 - 12/07/03 12:22 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

*decides to scream to be heard* IT IS ALL IN THE MIND, DAMN IT!  :mad2:

*calms down*

Seriously, though. The drugs aren't causing any sort of devolution, or whatever negative effects that we are talking about here. When you tend your garden, and you put too much fertilizer in an effort to grow super pot, and you kill off the plants, was it the fertilizer that killed them? I don't think so.

The name of the game here is who you are. Your thoughts. Your intentions. How you act. How you feeeeeel. How you cope. How you react to input, to different situations. A drug is a catalyst, a new experience. How you walk into it and what you bring with is going to determine how you walk out.

*shrugs*
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