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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21613204 - 04/29/15 12:40 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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Rebelutionsssss said:
What is mxe like? Never got to try that one




It's hard to describe, it feels like "me" time where I'm no longer grasping at the world, no longer interested checking in on friends, not interested in checking in on message forums, not interested in fiddling with my phone, don't compulsively want anything... It's just me and Pink Floyd or whatever it is I truly desire and want to do.

My head is pretty clear, my heart is open.... It has some of those comparable things to ketamine, walking is a bit of a challenge, not the euphoria of ketamine, more joy of total involvement.... It gets far more wild when combined with psychedelics for me.  I dunno, I've had 17 years of experience with psychedelics, would not go replicating my experiences, if you try take things slowly and play safe :smile:


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #21620663 - 05/01/15 05:32 AM (9 years, 19 days ago)

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I only ask as I find that I go through bouts of depression more and more often as I age. I was wondering if this has happened to anyone else?

It seems like when I was younger (and very much less in tune with my inner self) I would suffer depression once in a blue moon. Now it seems like I have bouts on an almost monthly basis.

This is alongside daily meditation, regularly practising living in the present, easting well, exercising well, having hobbies, etc - all the things that should (ideally) combat this condition.




Never, are you coming to terms with any old ideologies that don't fit anymore or something?


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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: extreme]
    #21622174 - 05/01/15 01:59 PM (9 years, 19 days ago)

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extreme said:
Mind if I ask what your meth is like over in the UK and how prevalent it is?




It's not prevalent, but in this day and age a man can get hold of most anything if adventurous enough to try. Great quality by the way, if one were to look in the right places. Not good stuff though IMO. About as hedonistic as one can get and equally destructive as a payoff.

Thanks for all your words though man, only just had a chance to say that but I enjoyed reading. And for everyone else's opinions (thanks for your point lulwut!). I'm past my 2-3 bout for now so on the happy streak until next time! I guess time will tell more about why this has started ocurring.

CJ - that sounds like one hell of a celebration. So happy to hear that you had such a good time!


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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #21622994 - 05/01/15 05:53 PM (9 years, 19 days ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
I only ask as I find that I go through bouts of depression more and more often as I age. I was wondering if this has happened to anyone else?

It seems like when I was younger (and very much less in tune with my inner self) I would suffer depression once in a blue moon. Now it seems like I have bouts on an almost monthly basis.

This is alongside daily meditation, regularly practising living in the present, easting well, exercising well, having hobbies, etc - all the things that should (ideally) combat this condition.




I think I've always leaned towards depression and it's bullshit.  I truly believe my life isn't bad, I'm a good person and the world is good, generally speaking.  With those beliefs, I still have feelings or thoughts of hopelessness.  I like to think I'm detached from thoughts that I don't care to act upon but they still invoke a feeling in me.  I meditate and exercise a lot and these two habits have probably kept me sane over these years.

I don't know, I think some of us are just fucked :shrug: I'm not a doctor and don't need one to tell me I'm fucked up, but I imagine my brain just doesn't produce those happy chemicals in a constant fashion.

Edited by cez (05/01/15 07:04 PM)

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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #21628106 - 05/02/15 10:44 PM (9 years, 17 days ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
I only ask as I find that I go through bouts of depression more and more often as I age. I was wondering if this has happened to anyone else?

It seems like when I was younger (and very much less in tune with my inner self) I would suffer depression once in a blue moon. Now it seems like I have bouts on an almost monthly basis.

This is alongside daily meditation, regularly practising living in the present, easting well, exercising well, having hobbies, etc - all the things that should (ideally) combat this condition.




I find this subject extremely interesting. I have been working (tempted to say struggling but that has a negative implication) on the problem for a long time. This is a terrifying but simultaneously comforting thought but I'm saying it based on an experience I had today, where I was able for the first time to bring myself to the brink of some kind of insanity and look at it for a moment: Maybe the depression is positively correlated with coming closer and closer to "the answer" - and maybe "the answer" is not a benign thing that helps us understand why the universe is the way it is. Maybe "the answer" is an infinite yawning chasm. And all the thinking and rationality in the world is not going to help find any answers because rationality is insane in an infinite universe. So I've been thinking maybe it's best to engage in some delusions of my own choosing or risk facing and being conquered by that infinite meaninglessness.

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it always seems worse for me around now (springtime)




I'm not sure how difficult the winters are for you, or how much you're affected personally by them, but along the lines of the thoughts above, maybe winter acts as a proxy for us to put our uneasy feelings of the unknown truth onto. Once spring comes, physical distractions of cold and discomfort stop being able to hide the underlying uneasiness we can't pin onto a concrete thing.

I don't mean to preach and I also know I'm a newbie, although I've lurked for a while, but I feel very strongly about this subject so had to share.


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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #21628815 - 05/03/15 04:43 AM (9 years, 17 days ago)

LA is very sunny but I bet there are people very unhappy there too. check this out

I have been through shit like you wouldn't believe. So I have a right to talk about this. I will not go near fukin shrink 'medication' because I was VERY fortunate many years ago to be attracted to a book cover which had this picture on the front



And the title was The Myth of Mental Illness, by Thomas Szasz

And this book inspired me very much to look into this, which I still do, and doing so has revealed to me many deep things.

Notice the lingo you use! 'I am suffering bouts of depression'. This is psychiatric lingo, because their myth is the pseudoscience that depression is biologically-caused, a 'chemical imbalance'. So OK, you want to explore the history of where this assertion is coming from---? It's philosophy? So you look, and find 'thinkers' in the past claiming that the universe was a vast machine (Issac Newton), that animals are machines (Rene Descartes), That humans are machines (Wilhelm Wundt). Then you look to see who this myth benefits, and you find out about the ruling class and how bat shit insane they are, totally soulless and they fiercely and subliminally promote these myths to enslave us! IE if they needed to feed their satanic factories (Industrial Revolution), they sure nuff do not want pagans, indigenous peoples, feeling a deep connection with nature and the seasons and community. They want mindless cogs in their ugly machine which feeds their ugly fat arses PROFIT. So they want you to think yourselves as machines, and to think of your natural surrounding as dead, without any sentience. Get it?
So in this horrendous soul-destroying, spirit-crushing, matrix they have oppressed us with for generations and generations it is the very source OF dis-ease, yes? Yet if you then go along with their consumerist hell, thinking that doing abc/b eing a good little citi-zen and getting the possessions house etc etc will really fullful you and it does not, like it doesn't for you, then your only alternative is to go to their doctors, and they or the psychologist, shrinks they refer you too will tell you that you have 'depression', and have a 'chemical imbalance' and need drugs. AND they and big pharma make BIG PROFITS from this myth. Big pharma rakes in BILLIONS!! So they sure don't wanna give the toxic game away, but some psychiatrists are now admitting that the 'chemical imbalance diagnosis' has no medical science behind it!

The Chemical Imbalance Myth/FRAUD

Edited by zzripz (05/03/15 05:02 AM)

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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: zzripz]
    #21632788 - 05/04/15 12:09 AM (9 years, 16 days ago)

I think it comes and goes in patches. Through primary school believe it or not I would definitely say I was depressed. Crying every night before bed. I even associated the closing theme of a favorite show of mine with bed time, and to this day it stresses me.

Since then, depression has really only been temporary and situations, breakups and the like.

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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: Late2theparty]
    #21633182 - 05/04/15 02:48 AM (9 years, 16 days ago)

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I think it comes and goes in patches. Through primary school believe it or not I would definitely say I was depressed. Crying every night before bed. I even associated the closing theme of a favorite show of mine with bed time, and to this day it stresses me.

Since then, depression has really only been temporary and situations, breakups and the like.




ahaaaa me too! I hated, loathed, school right from infants up, through primary, and high school. I remember the absolute dread I felt when Sunday night came around when I was in primary school . There was a show on TV called Sunday Night at the London Palladium, and when the music to end the who came on at the end it was terrible because I knew it was bedtime and then next moment when I wake up it is that shitty school on monday morning again
I have searched for the music on youtube and it brings back the feelings if that time. It is outragous children are traumatized this way by an evil enforced 'education' system!

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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: zzripz]
    #21633395 - 05/04/15 05:24 AM (9 years, 16 days ago)

Less and less all the time. If you're getting depressed often for no reason, suspect brain damage. Ask the mushroom for help.


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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: circastes]
    #21633644 - 05/04/15 07:56 AM (9 years, 16 days ago)

:strokebeard:


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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21633656 - 05/04/15 08:01 AM (9 years, 16 days ago)

whats temple sex


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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #21634393 - 05/04/15 11:45 AM (9 years, 16 days ago)

there is no myth of mental illness: it's merely a catchy and/or much more specific title, than what is attributed to actual "mental illness". here is two reason's why:

first:
there is no "mental illness" in the sense that a "mental anything" can't be ill, at least "ill" as in "degrading". only physical things can be "ill" in that way.

but there are these things called "symptoms", and guess what, physical changes to and fro the brain will cause symptoms even of a mental nature.

SYMPTOMS ARE REAL. that is why people take medication, because it's a useful alternative to just "powering through" your symptom's with sheer willpower; especially since these symptom's are readily initiated within the human experience, from day one. we have always suffered with affliction's, and it doesn't stop just because you wish it away and say "but it doesn't really exist". you can say that, all you want; because you can rationalize that it doesn't exist, you don't have to actually deal with your problems. medicine can help you much better, because it actually changes the things in your body in a way that eliminates the symptom's. but of course the second reason that the argument gets made in that book and in circle's is because people would like to think that they are special. yes. they'd like to think we can "rise above" our human affliction's, our emotion's, our instinct's, but we CAN'T; that's why you see people backing away from the overall big picture of human understanding, which would include the necessity for social interaction. social interaction, friendship's alike, those connection's hurt us because we care about these things. it's easy to say that "you can see past the myth", when you forget that people ACTUALLY have trouble getting involved in human interaction on a more than basic level. it's easy to dismiss this symptom when you haven't experienced it, or when you've read a book confirming your hypothesis that "i'm better than all that!"; with that mentality you would, which is fine, but it doesn't mean it's real. what's real is that people have issues, and medicine help's them, just as much as simply convincing yourself that it's not a real problem among culture's in our world. that latter "medicine" is just placebo effect, and nothing more. though of course if it works, then go for it. go for it BECAUSE it works. that's ALL that book is about, unless of course it's just some ex-researcher pandering to his audience, because if he had any education on the subject, he'd know that that is a bunch of bullshit, to spread the idea that "mental symptom's" aren't real. :shrug:



PS: i feel depressed alot, i feel happy sometimes.  but more often than not, depressed. i lost all my friend's from moving away, and i always sucked at making friends, they just inherently came around to me, and not me to them. and i don't know why, but i just suck at interacting with people when and if i don't already know them. i know that's not really too big a deal, but i have always been rather independent of my thought's and action's and never really needed people, until recently. now i do, and it often makes me depressed.

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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21635647 - 05/04/15 04:36 PM (9 years, 16 days ago)

Usually most of the time but i'm not normal.


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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21635742 - 05/04/15 04:50 PM (9 years, 16 days ago)

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that is a bunch of bullshit, to spread the idea that "mental symptom's" aren't real.




That's a common misunderstanding people can often make when you say 'mental illness myth'. They think you are meaning that the feelings one can have, and that often can be extremely distressing are not real. We don't mean that at all. Feelings are VERY VERY real, and there are a myriad of them from relatively mild to extreme---visions, severe paranoia etc etc etc. What is rather being meant is that these states are not biological disease. There is no medical science to support that assertion. They are more problems of living, and when you consider just how insane and abusive this culture is it is not surprising many people feel psychologically disturbed! But to call that distress physical disease, 'chemical imbalance' is wrong and false

Sorry to hear your story. It is hard to lose friends and feel disconnected from others

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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: zzripz]
    #21635843 - 05/04/15 05:06 PM (9 years, 16 days ago)

while they say "chemical imbalance" because chemical "balancing" seem's to help people deal with their states.

but no, it can't conclusively be blamed simply on "you were born to have chemical imbalance" unless of course we are talking an actual disease here (physical, such as Syphilis), or disorder (Autism) due to how the brain functions.

there is a wide variable here.

and it's ok. it sucks, but it's ok. it happens. maybe not always for any good reason but what can you do.

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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21638004 - 05/05/15 02:33 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

NO! when they have said 'chemical unbalance' they are stating that as a diagnosis---as a disorder, even though there is no medical science to support it. And then they will push you drugs!

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BLAMING THE BRAIN: The‘Chemical Imbalance’ Fraud

“There’s no biological imbalance. When people come to me and they say, ‘I have a biological imbalance,’ I say, ‘Show me your lab tests.’ There are no lab tests. So what’s the biochemical imbalance?”
—Dr. Ron Leifer, New York psychiatrist.

The cornerstone of psychiatry's disease model today is the theory that a brain-based, chemical imbalance causes mental illness. However, Dr Mark Graff, Chair of Public Arrairs of the American Psychiatric Association said that this theory was "propabably drug industry derived." His cohort, Dr Steven Sharfstein, APA president, was forced under media pressure to admit that there is "no clean cut lab test" to determine a chemical imbalance in the brain.



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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: zzripz]
    #21638926 - 05/05/15 10:25 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

Are you trying to say neurotransmitters play no role in mental illness?

And it's all just a big lie so big pharma can make a buck?


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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21639197 - 05/05/15 11:47 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

when you feel things chemicals etc happen in the body--obviously. If someone is 'lovesick' neurotransmitters will be involved but it is not often called a 'mental illness' (though I am sure the profit-heads would love to add that to their list), it is a metaphor for how we feelat that time
Well same is so for other feeling like sadness, anxiety---they are not 'chemical imbalances' which can be medically tested for, like would be so for a real physical disease 9read the link I gave. They admit it for gawds sake. What dya need?:shrug: . There is no medical test for being 'lovesick', or 'homesick'

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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: zzripz]
    #21640233 - 05/05/15 04:48 PM (9 years, 15 days ago)

dude, homesick or lovesick is not a mental disorder by any standard, so what are you talking about?

i thought we were talking about depression or something.

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Re: How often do you get depressed? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21642711 - 05/06/15 02:33 AM (9 years, 14 days ago)

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dude, homesick or lovesick is not a mental disorder by any standard, so what are you talking about?

i thought we were talking about depression or something.




You obviously do not or will not understand.

That seems plain and simple.

I cannot help you then.:shrug:

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