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InvisibleSirShroomsAlott
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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21638423 - 05/05/15 07:37 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21638429 - 05/05/15 07:41 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

SirShroomsAlott said:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”




If all that exists is god, then this makes no sense at all. Good and evil are two sides of the same coin, you want god to fight himself?
Humans, however, are capable of preventing evil. And everytime people fail to do so, ask you questions again.
God is not our babysitter.


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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21638430 - 05/05/15 07:42 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

SirShroomsAlott said:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”




Perhaps the only way to refine consciousness and enable independent beings to grow, learn and become more is to allow duality to do its thing.  What we consider "evil" may just be a temporary, very potent lesson about reality.  If consciousness does indeed transcend death and we are eternal, a few "moments" here and there learning the futility of controlling others, exploiting for personal gain and using violence against other creatures in this amazing creation is really nothing.

If our lives are a one stop experience where death is truly the end, it makes no difference at all what the meaning of it all is.  Find an approach that makes you happy, live with gusto and don't worry about anything.


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-- Ancient Taoist Master

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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21638433 - 05/05/15 07:43 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Turtletotem said:
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SirShroomsAlott said:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”




If all that exists is god, then this makes no sense at all. Good and evil are two sides of the same coin, you want god to fight himself?
Humans, however, are capable of preventing evil. And everytime people fail to do so, ask you questions again.
God is not our babysitter.




He is if you're religious, which is where that riddle comes into play. If god is all that exists, you are right, if he is a personal intervening god like in the bible per say, then this riddle makes more sense.

Just in case anyone is curious. This riddle is by Epicurus, written before the birth of Christ, that he made with the intention of questioning the god humans believed in, and what that god truly is to us.

Edited by SirShroomsAlott (05/05/15 07:46 AM)

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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21638441 - 05/05/15 07:48 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

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SirShroomsAlott said:
Quote:

Turtletotem said:
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SirShroomsAlott said:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”




If all that exists is god, then this makes no sense at all. Good and evil are two sides of the same coin, you want god to fight himself?
Humans, however, are capable of preventing evil. And everytime people fail to do so, ask you questions again.
God is not our babysitter.




He is if you're religious, which is where that riddle comes into play. If god is all that exists, you are right, if he is a personal intervening god like in the bible per say, then this riddle makes more sense.

Just in case anyone is curious. This riddle is by Epicurus, written before the birth of Christ, that he made with the intention of questioning the god humans believed in, and what that god truly is to us.




Yeah I know, Epicurus and a lot of other thinkers from that time where the bomb.
Actually, I think that that is the main question concerning religious matters, and has to be sorted out really: what exactly is a god?


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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: SirShroomsAlott] * 1
    #21638444 - 05/05/15 07:49 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

We are here to learn the invaluable lesson of CHOOSING  our own path regardless of the circumstances around us.  To choose under pressure. To choose under favorable conditions.  To choose under unfavorable conditions.  To learn how to leave everything we touch in better condition than we found it.  To learn to stop complaining, stop blaming, stop making excuses, stop seeking dependency and become a true co-creator of a universe where growth and expansion can occur eternally.

We, at this stage, tend to learn more from failure than success.  Fear is as strong a motivator, if not more, for many of us than the lure of success.


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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21638455 - 05/05/15 07:53 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

Maybe God has layers of management?  The super duper omnipotent force that creates it all might delegate to executive Gods in the process of growing themselves?

Certainly, to my dogs I must appear as some kind of "God."  Maybe what we think of as the "true God" is nothing more than a layer of carefully constructed consciousness management.


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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21638526 - 05/05/15 08:25 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

probably
but the good stuff in the bible is there to help you
as it has thousands of years of research...
not killing things apparently may give you some sort of good luck
as well as other things..

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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: Konyap]
    #21638530 - 05/05/15 08:28 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

The way I see it is no one knows if there's a god or not.

You have the religious people that think they know it all and the atheists that think they know it all.  If you ever hear one of those debates, they both sound exactly the same, they both think they know it all...

I'm agnostic but I do sometimes make anti-religion troll posts.  :wink:


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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: spixce]
    #21639434 - 05/05/15 01:14 PM (9 years, 15 days ago)

I do. I owe my life to beings known as Light Warriors, one known as Horus, and certainly Prime Creator. I understand that there isnt enough obvious evidence for you to believe it, but it is truth nonetheless.

There is a saying attributed to the Buddha that says this, pretty much

Three things cannot be hidden for long.
The Sun, The Moon, The Truth.


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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21639477 - 05/05/15 01:31 PM (9 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

SirShroomsAlott said:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”





What is evil but a relative human perspective?    Who said god needs to be immanent and personal?


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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: Shins] * 2
    #21639499 - 05/05/15 01:39 PM (9 years, 15 days ago)

I've tried to read this thread three times. I just can't do it! :zomgwtf:


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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: spixce]
    #21641138 - 05/05/15 07:46 PM (9 years, 14 days ago)

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You have the religious people that think they know it all and the atheists that think they know it all.



"Pick your poision", live with the consequences of your choices/decisions...


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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21641157 - 05/05/15 07:49 PM (9 years, 14 days ago)

I GET IT NOW!

THE WHOLE UNIVERSE IS WITHIN GOD'S MIND. WE LIVE IN GOD!!

Thanks Bill.

Lets go play in God's Mind garden :lsd::mushroom2:


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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #21642940 - 05/06/15 04:12 AM (9 years, 14 days ago)

Forget theology, eat mushrooms! :crazy2::mushroom2:


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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: Shins]
    #21642964 - 05/06/15 04:30 AM (9 years, 14 days ago)

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SirShroomsAlott said:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”





What is evil but a relative human perspective?    Who said god needs to be immanent and personal?




Religion does, which is what that particular riddle is aimed at, evil IS nothing more then relative human perspective , as you can see by the things that were accepTed when the bible was written and even condoned inside of it, that we now consider evil and Immoral today, like slavery among other things.

And religion would claim you can't have morality without a higher power to define what is good and what is evil, but if God is all powerful and all good, how is there any type of evil, hence the "whence cometh evil" riddle.

Maybe not in the same exact ways, but I hold very similar beliefs to the way Bill explained it in the OP.

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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21643028 - 05/06/15 05:26 AM (9 years, 14 days ago)

why isnt almond flour spraying his retarded god logic all over this.

"Better to be laughing with the sinners than crying with the saints"

Firstly, following some set of MAN MADE beliefs with no proof is utterly stupid and brainwashing. Altering your life and dedicating time that could be better spent doing other things to some creature which you seem to have DEFINIATE knowledge that it exist and is true is also silly. That being said im not against the idea of it but Im not going to change my life based on "faith" Then of course there are the people that use religon as an excuse to kill people.


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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: Turtletotem] * 2
    #21643046 - 05/06/15 05:43 AM (9 years, 14 days ago)

I would make a separate thread for this, but I'll just leave this here as it seems appropriate.

A problematic question I've come across is: "Can nothing exist"?
This is pertaining to the origins of the universe and what, if anything, existed before God or the singularity.

In the scientific model: Infinite something expanded into somethings.
In the creationist model: Infinite some(one)thing created some things.
It gets confusing when we ask "How and when did God/the singularity become existent?".
That brought me to a realization however, that maybe both models are correct in one way.

Think really hard about my first question for a moment.
It is difficult to imagine the answer to that question, but maybe that's because there's no reason to.
Nothing existing is an oxymoron and a paradox, therefore it is ridiculous to imagine nothing existing.

What if the element of nature we know as consciousness is the "nothingness" that existed before the universe.

When you take God and the singularity, strip them both of labels and preconceived notions, then call them both nothingness (in it's new definition) then we no longer need to contemplate it's origins.
It is merely the absence of form, and the presence of possibilities.

I personally believe that this nothingness created a "matrix" in which it could simulate what we know as life.
Quantum physics suggests that consciousness brings particles into existence, and this is the perfect evidence.
The "matrix" could be the geometry or the essence of the quantum world.
Consciousness would need to create this matrix (quantum laws) in order to manifest particles with physical laws.

The creation of the matrix would be entirely different from the creation of the particles and laws within our physical plane, and this would further defeat the need to understand the absolute origins of the physical universe.

Enough rambling, I need to eat more mushrooms.

Btw, I'm unsure of the vibe of this thread and I have no clue if my ideas are welcome here.
So in the case of violent opposition, I will retreat back to my cultivation and hunting threads. 
Otherwise, may rule 4 rule forth!
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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #21643052 - 05/06/15 05:47 AM (9 years, 14 days ago)

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because God is the only thing.

How can something exist or not exist if its the only freaking thing that there is?


its like me saying "theres milk in my milk" or something.


Its like this..

we all do not exist either. The evolved(withing God) to the point it could imagine itself having a body. We have no bodies. We have no nothing...all we have is a machine. A machine that humans called "the brain".

God evolved into a brain in order to forget that it exists until it dies.

Im here to spoil the surprise by telling you...YOURE GOD, BUDDY! THE MIND CANNOT DIE AND WHEN YOU DIE YOU WAKE UP! That's all there is to it, fellas.

We play an infinite game of "damn". We damn ourselves from being able to remember we are God..until we die of course.


but yeah...sorry for spoiling it for everyone. Atleast tonight you can go to bed not fearing death because Jesus Christ(aka God aka you and me) conquered that shit already.

Satan(ignorance) is trying to take you down. Satan is trying to get you to waste valuable time of being your "damned self" by making you fear something that has already been conquered.

Energy is you.

Energy is eternal but it did have a beginning...if that makes sense.

It became eternal after it had its beginning..just like how a baby must be born before it can live...well energy had to be 'born' before it become eternal. Now it is forever. Forever is now.

Enjoy it or don't enjoy it. Who fucking cares we have all the time in the world because we created this shithole for our stopping ground. This earth is like our dump we just use for fun...and we trash the shit out of it because we can. Were slobs but were God so we really don't give a fuck.



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Re: God does not exist.. [Re: propensity]
    #21643416 - 05/06/15 09:09 AM (9 years, 14 days ago)

There are two aspects of God i just cannot except.

One is that God is eternal.

How can God have no beginning, no start and just "be"? How is this possible when everything else in the Universe has a beginning, middle and end?

But then there is the theory of conservation of matter, that matter (and energy) cannot be created nor destroyed, only tranfered into something else. But does that say that energy and matter had no beginning and just always "was". I just dont get it. No start to it all? Impossible.

Second, that God is perfect. How can God be perfect when there is so much disease, suffering, war, hate, and killing?

I could understand that most could be humans faults, and we have our own "free will", if u will, but diseases like cancer, malaria or HIV?

Didnt God make those things possible? Why? is it punishment or did God make some unseen mistakes when creating the Universe? 

I think God made some mistakes. Maybe God is an infinitely powerful, infinitely intelligent being.


But to have no "birthdate" and never make a mistake ever? I cannot accept that Bill.

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