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OfflineMonkah
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romantisist or realist?
    #2163671 - 12/06/03 09:18 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)


apon chillin with my favorite girl
i began to tell her about something that happens to me alot.
i dont remember exactly what i said. but it was something like this.

at work, i often find that certain "things" try to win me over
say, im seperating breadsticks to roll up into a bag.
two of them may stick together,
are they in love? do they not want to be seperated?
must they go from the small pan that is their world together
or forever be in tourment.
and who am i to seperate them, take them from each other.
could i live on knowing that i seperated two lovers.
at least they would have been eaten together...

some may say, idiotic. yes, i agree.
as i find no rationalizing emotions in any degree.
but its something that happens to me.
with various "in-animate" objects.

this lovely woman, began to tell me
that she had just studied about what i was talking about.
she said that there are romantisist and realist.
and that i was a romantisist,
a person who gives objects emotions...
and that realist saw no point in what i was doing.

but i said, who am i to judge what objects have feelings or not
am i only able to understand situations in wich someone talks out their emotions in words?
whos to say those two bread sticks were not in love, in some
subtle energy related way?

does anyone have any information on this subject?
i tried searching but didnt come up with much.
what do you consider yourself to be?


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InvisibleZildjian
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Re: romantisist or realist? [Re: Monkah]
    #2163685 - 12/06/03 09:31 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

I am a realist; organisms have emotions because they need them to give them purpose to their lives, else all life would end. Albertross are monogamous because it increases the odds that their young will survive. In this sence they LOVE one another. Emotions are all about protecting the species I think. . .

It's not a question of how complex a mind has to be in order to experience emotions . . it simply has to be alive to experience them. In this sence plants have emotions; but inanimate objects do not! They don't need emotions to survive because they are not living to begin with.


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OfflineAlan Stone
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Re: romantisist or realist? [Re: Zildjian]
    #2163687 - 12/06/03 09:38 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Bleh, I'm a romanticist, and I can be pretty disgusted by people that want to kill any emotion or reduce it to simple chemistry. A lot of it is more complex, and while you'll probably say it's bullshit because there's no evidence to support it, I believe emotions mostly stem from the soul. A few emotions are quite counterproductive to the survival of the species, too. I'm thinking hate, disgust, depression, insecurity, etc.


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Re: romantisist or realist? [Re: Monkah]
    #2163690 - 12/06/03 09:44 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

> "whos to say those two bread sticks were not in love, in some
subtle energy related way?"

I am a realist and I'm sure those two bread sticks were not in love. Subtle energy related way? whatever...


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Re: romantisist or realist? [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2163702 - 12/06/03 09:56 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

> "and I can be pretty disgusted by people that want to kill any emotion or reduce it to simple chemistry. A lot of it is more complex..."

It's simple to reduce emotions to a spirit/soul. Reducing emotions to chemistry isn't simple at all, but it's the only way to really try to explain and understand emotions. It's easy to say "we can't explain emotions", but it doesn't help us.


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Re: romantisist or realist? [Re: Annom]
    #2163706 - 12/06/03 09:59 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

yeah, emotions have only brought me tragety. Thus I've broken everything down too science and rationallity; and have had a much better life out of it.

alan_stone and monkah; you are in love with people aren't you? Walk the road of loneliness for a few years and you'll quickly get over that romanticism clap trap! :wink: 


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OfflineMonkah
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Re: romantisist or realist? [Re: Annom]
    #2163738 - 12/06/03 10:29 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Quote:

Annom said:
I am a realist and I'm sure those two bread sticks were not in love. Subtle energy related way? whatever...





that would be the point of being a realist is it not?
to denounce the romantisist and find your reasons in what is hard evidence.
thats why i stated the two, because they are completely diferent people in perspective.
i do not think the two are all that diferent.
maybe just a comunication barrier between the thought paterns.

love to me is chemical, and ethereal.
one would give me evidence of what is happening if i wanted.
and the other is meant to be experienced, not torn apart.
either way, its the same thing.

by subtle energy. i meant a magnitism.
chemicals atrack you to a certain person?
those chemicals are also filled with energy,
whos two say that, chemicaly these two bread sticks stuck together.
and you, relate it to reason. they did this because.....
and i, relate it to love. they did this without me thinking so.


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Re: romantisist or realist? [Re: Monkah]
    #2164042 - 12/06/03 01:23 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

With new information on quantum mechanics and memory systems and the way things intereact on all levels and what-not it's not really safe to say that things are in-animate.

If a molecule wants to bond to another molecule, is that not love?


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Re: romantisist or realist? [Re: Zildjian]
    #2165947 - 12/07/03 08:05 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Quote:

alan_stone and monkah; you are in love with people aren't you? Walk the road of loneliness for a few years and you'll quickly get over that romanticism clap trap! :wink: 




I currently am, but I've walked the path of loneliness my entire life. Loneliness IMO has nothing to do with having a significant other or sexual relationships. Plus, being in love doesn't imply that love is mutual.

(side track)
The feeling of loneliness I've had my entire life is that I think differently from other people, and this makes me feel like I was born on the wrong planet, if you can dig. This loneliness didn't change my being a romticist, it's hardcoded into my noodle.
(/side track)


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Re: romantisist or realist? [Re: Annom]
    #2165955 - 12/07/03 08:13 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Quote:

>It's simple to reduce emotions to a spirit/soul. Reducing emotions to chemistry isn't simple at all, but it's the only way to really try to explain and understand emotions. It's easy to say "we can't explain emotions", but it doesn't help us.




It might seem so at first glance. If you've ever tried to come up with your own cosmology or metaphysics, you'll see it goes a little further. It doesn't suffice to say the soul creates emotions and thought, and the body creates urges like hunger, thirst, etc. IMO the brain is the key element in soul-body interaction.
The brain itself is what allows us to think logically, and acts as a bridge between the soul and the body. Interactions can go both ways. Lack of sunlight can make a person depressive (body influencing the soul), while feeling bad can worsen your health (feeling bad lowering your resistance, the effectiveness of placebo, etc).
The soul is that which contains your most natural urges: the need for love (not in a physical sense, that's a biological need), the need to fit into a group, the urge to learn, amazement, etc.
You can take it a step further and categorise emotions on a scale with the extremes of pure bodily and purely spiritual causes, in which case depression would be tagging along somewhere along the middle of the scale.
I hope this will demonstrate I don't feel we can ever understand emotions, there are just different approaches to them, and the one I've elaborated on befits me most.


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Re: romantisist or realist? [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2166076 - 12/07/03 10:02 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

im a little of both, depends on the situation.


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Re: romantisist or realist? [Re: Positronius]
    #2166508 - 12/07/03 02:57 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Quote:

im a little of both, depends on the situation.




could it be that this relates to diferent parts of the brain?

as at times i as well 'feel' then 'think' im a little of both  :wink:

i think romantisist or realist could be
        spiritual      or philosophy.

maybe it has to do with wich parts of the brain are more or less acessed
  some people are stronger spiritualy because they practice that system
some cant ignore spirituality because to them, its a given.

the same with philosophy.
some people practice it, read and read and contemplate formula's of philosophy.
as well some people are atracted to this way of thinking because it makes more sense to their own life.

but i do see people who walk both planks.  :lol:
some people even find a conection between the two,
but more or less relate still to one form over another

whats that? a union in your brain?
realist?  how absurd! its all chemicals!  :nut:
romantisist?  my brains making love!  :loveeyes:


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Re: romantisist or realist? [Re: Monkah]
    #2167877 - 12/08/03 02:36 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Indeed, unfortunately I'm a Romanticist :heartpump:.  I'm actually in love right now.  Too bad I got the reply of "I still love you, but I'm not IN love with you".

I said the same thing to her about a year ago.  :shake:


Yes, the breadsticks were in love.


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