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what is crazy
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or what isn't crazy that we now take for granted?
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Re: what is crazy [Re: Kuhl]
#21631665 - 05/03/15 08:10 PM (9 years, 16 days ago) |
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our sanity!
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Re: what is crazy [Re: quinn]
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very interesting
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Re: what is crazy [Re: Kuhl] 1
#21632839 - 05/04/15 12:21 AM (9 years, 16 days ago) |
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I think the acceptance of speciesism is crazy. I feel like we are living in the times were people think it's acceptable to cage an animal for its whole life, and that in the future we will look back on these times and see what we did as barbaric, in the same way that we look back and say that racism or sexism was barbaric and ignorant.
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Re: what is crazy [Re: Kuhl]
#21632955 - 05/04/15 01:00 AM (9 years, 16 days ago) |
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Pick any item that's been invented and compare the area of life/industry/humanity that it was designed to effect with the same area 50 years earlier. I tell you most all would be deemed a 'crazy' development.
I suppose you could say if you can dream it, you can do it. Shame us mere mortals aren't better at dreaming
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I'd say we fail almost equally on both fronts. Hardly do we ever pull off the do aspect very flawlessly.
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Cosmopolite said: I think the acceptance of speciesism is crazy. I feel like we are living in the times were people think it's acceptable to cage an animal for its whole life, and that in the future we will look back on these times and see what we did as barbaric, in the same way that we look back and say that racism or sexism was barbaric and ignorant.
This is only with the presumption that intelligence all precedes in a benevolent manner, which based on our only evidence (us) it doesn't seem to be the case If we're the most developed why has our species not rid itself of such cruel tendencies?
How do we know that other lifeforms who are further advanced than us don't welcome this speciesism and call us food?
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Re: what is crazy [Re: Tropism]
#21636518 - 05/04/15 07:38 PM (9 years, 15 days ago) |
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I think what is crazy yet beautiful at the same time is our flaws. Then I look around and witness the marvel of how extraordinary we can be. The internet for instance and these forums create an experience to share thoughts and opinions. In almost all cases of technological development, it has all been towards progressing humanity to becoming closer together, more efficient, more advanced then its predecessors.
As for speciesism, the treatment of animals is a reflection of human nature. That raises a different discussion unless it likes to be continued here.
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Cosmopolite said: I think the acceptance of speciesism is crazy. I feel like we are living in the times were people think it's acceptable to cage an animal for its whole life, and that in the future we will look back on these times and see what we did as barbaric, in the same way that we look back and say that racism or sexism was barbaric and ignorant.
But that is still going on big style
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Re: what is crazy [Re: Kuhl]
#21654970 - 05/08/15 08:51 PM (9 years, 11 days ago) |
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Re: what is crazy [Re: Kuhl]
#21666965 - 05/11/15 07:37 PM (9 years, 8 days ago) |
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Hard to say, the DSM doesn't have a strictly speaking definition of a "Sane man" , but they have plenty of descriptors for the mentally unhinged. Which begs the question, how can you tell if there's no contrast?
Western health and western psychology are pretty dubious when it comes to categorizing eccentricities as insane. That doesn't mean I'd prefer the company of the criminally insane, but it does mean our philosophy of mental health and well being for that matter is pretty damn broken.
American medicine for instance reserves its healthcare for the severely injured or near death, and yet there are so many living with mental imbalances and social difficulties it really does stagger one to think about.
We have not yet matured to the point of being able to understand "Health" as a hollistic concept that concerns the living just as much as it does the dying.
It's a very peripheral and skin surface analysis we have entrenched.
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Re: what is crazy [Re: Kuhl]
#21668637 - 05/12/15 05:55 AM (9 years, 8 days ago) |
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I think there is a huge difference between "crazy" as in what the culture thinks what crazy is and crazy crazy. There is a kind of crazy where even tribes in the amazon would abandon you.
When your own minds tortures you so much that you want to kill yourself. Thats when you are crazy. But there is a huge difference between "far out" and crazy and many mental illnesses wouldnt be so bad if our culture could deal with it, most people who are completely crazy are not like that because they are destined to be like that. These people had a shit life, a shit doctor and shitty drugs. You are crazy when you are alone in your world, when you are the only one who still is sane, when you are no longer able to relate to other people.
Here is a link where someone describes is own mental illness quite well. And if you extrapolate from that you can imagine a little bit how true crazyness feels like. http://realitysandwich.com/215169/the-revelation-of-terence-mckenna
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Re: what is crazy [Re: Tropism]
#21670715 - 05/12/15 04:14 PM (9 years, 8 days ago) |
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Tropism said: If we're the most developed why has our species not rid itself of such cruel tendencies?
Actually it seems to be the direction that humanity is rapidly developing in, ridding itself of such. Your question is weird 'cause it seems to equate "most-developed" with "perfectly-developed".
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Re: what is crazy [Re: Kuhl]
#21670749 - 05/12/15 04:19 PM (9 years, 8 days ago) |
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Kuhl said: what is crazy or what isn't crazy that we now take for granted?
Crazy is becoming tied up in emotional knots and tripping and getting all tangled up and struggling to break free...
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don't u need to struggle to break free (to break free?)
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Cosmopolite said: I think the acceptance of speciesism is crazy. I feel like we are living in the times were people think it's acceptable to cage an animal for its whole life, and that in the future we will look back on these times and see what we did as barbaric, in the same way that we look back and say that racism or sexism was barbaric and ignorant.
Are you vegetarian?
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what does that matter?
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Re: what is crazy [Re: quinn]
#21673164 - 05/13/15 02:43 AM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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A beautiful butterfly begats many descendants within its ideal environment. A butterfly is harmless to anything we as humans can identify with. But the butterfly might lay eggs on human crops of lettuces, that will hatch into caterpillars and eat our lettuces, then humans will be deprived of fresh salads. So if you want a fresh salad you must kill as many butterfly's as you can. Forced to murder these small beautiful creatures for their innocent nature is detrimental to your desire for fresh salad. This is sane. Letting the butterfly's destroy your lettuces would be insane. If you disagree, you should go and starve yourself to death. This would be insane. But its all a matter of perspective. Perhaps just staying alive is insane, because that always requires destruction. In which case the B Gee's song stayin alive is insane.
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yeah, well youre right, staying alive does use up resources both material and immaterial, we all damage the world and those around us through our existence.. so might as well try do something nice with it eh, like not kill butterflies, or kill as few as you can, or at least acknowledge how cute and tragic their lives are before you crush them with your boot..
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Re: what is crazy [Re: quinn]
#21673354 - 05/13/15 05:00 AM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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Or save the butterflies and starve the humans. Some dude was saying that not having children is immoral for each child not born misses out on all the joys of being alive. Every butterfly egg that is eliminated is a butterfly that misses out on all the wing flapping nectar sucking cocoon rocking metamorphosed many legged crawling leaf chewing thing. What is crazy is that those who fight become what they are fighting and they just don't see it.
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