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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21610459 - 04/28/15 07:04 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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if a newspaper, magazine, etc. Wants to maintain any sort of reputation, they're not going to allow their paper etc. To be riddled with this sort of crap.



Exactly!  That'd ruin the integrity of any journalistic source.
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The editorial would look exactly like the print ads of today, only it would be called something different.



Right - it would be called 'sponsored ad', and would not be an editorial.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21610468 - 04/28/15 07:06 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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if a newspaper, magazine, etc. Wants to maintain any sort of reputation, they're not going to allow their paper etc. To be riddled with this sort of crap.



Exactly!  That'd ruin the integrity of any journalistic source.
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The editorial would look exactly like the print ads of today, only it would be called something different.



Right - it would be called 'sponsored ad', and would not be an editorial.




You misquoted me, sir. Im sure you meant that as a quote for enlil.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21610477 - 04/28/15 07:07 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

None, really, except that most editorials of today stick to text only.  There's no reason that would have to be the case, though.

There's also no reason that a station couldn't change it's paradigm so that the "substance" of the programming includes "political awareness vignettes"...it's not advertising, exactly.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21610485 - 04/28/15 07:09 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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You misquoted me, sir. Im sure you meant that as a quote for enlil.



Sorry - fixed it above.


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    #21610488 - 04/28/15 07:09 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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Right - it would be called 'sponsored ad', and would not be an editorial.



How would you tell the difference between a sponsored ad and an editorial?


Remember, we're trying to come up with a test.  You're making up a lot of details as we go along, but you have to boil them down to an objective test if you want it to work....so what's the new test?


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
    #21610503 - 04/28/15 07:12 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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There's also no reason that a station couldn't change it's paradigm so that the "substance" of the programming includes "political awareness vignettes"...it's not advertising, exactly.



True, and that's basically what Fox News (or any biased news source) already does.  That'd be fine.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
    #21610517 - 04/28/15 07:15 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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How would you tell the difference between a sponsored ad and an editorial?

Remember, we're trying to come up with a test.  You're making up a lot of details as we go along, but you have to boil them down to an objective test if you want it to work....so what's the new test?



A sponsored ad is paid for by the person/organization submitting it. An editorial is not.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21610536 - 04/28/15 07:16 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

I didn't say anything about the person submitting it being the one who pays for it....that'd be silly.

The person who pays for it would suggest a person to write the editorial, and the times would hire that person to do it.  The person paying would just sponsor it but not control content.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21610545 - 04/28/15 07:18 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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There's also no reason that a station couldn't change it's paradigm so that the "substance" of the programming includes "political awareness vignettes"...it's not advertising, exactly.



True, and that's basically what Fox News (or any biased news source) already does.  That'd be fine.




Yes. Exactly. Nobody will tune in to the constant political ad show station lol. Then again, Fox News is a pretty big hit. The people who watch Fox want to be pandered to. They are speaking to the choir, that's about as effective as it is.

You still can't throw in your pro-Hillary ad in the middle of a Seinfield episode. It would be ineffective. You couldnt buy politicians this way.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21610567 - 04/28/15 07:22 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

I also think that if the news becomes any more perverted, people will stop paying attention to mainstream media altogether anyway.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21610590 - 04/28/15 07:26 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

It doesn't have to be news.  I don't really see network television being too concerned that their "integrity" will be hurt considering the shit they air as it is.  It's not like someone's going to say, "I lost all respect for XXX because they interrupted reruns of the simpsons to air a 30 second political editorial."


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
    #21610628 - 04/28/15 07:34 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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I didn't say anything about the person submitting it being the one who pays for it....that'd be silly.

The person who pays for it would suggest a person to write the editorial, and the times would hire that person to do it.  The person paying would just sponsor it but not control content.



If the person submitting the editorial isn't paying to submit it, and if the paper wants to include that content in their editorial and isn't paid to print it, then it's just part of what the paper is about and there isn't any issue.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
    #21610633 - 04/28/15 07:36 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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It doesn't have to be news.  I don't really see network television being too concerned that their "integrity" will be hurt considering the shit they air as it is.  It's not like someone's going to say, "I lost all respect for XXX because they interrupted reruns of the simpsons to air a 30 second political editorial."



Again, this is real simple.  If no is paying to air a 30 second political editorial, then fine.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21610644 - 04/28/15 07:39 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

Someone always pays.  It sounds like your system wouldn't even make it hard to spend unlimited money advocating for or against a candidate.  You'd barely make a dent.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
    #21610777 - 04/28/15 08:05 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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Someone always pays.  It sounds like your system wouldn't even make it hard to spend unlimited money advocating for or against a candidate.  You'd barely make a dent.



If a company is willing to establish itself as a political party's mouthpiece, they can.  Their viewership will primarily be reduced to those that agree with their position, as wooof noted above, and they'll gain little by preaching to the saved.

If people want to watch a political advertisement, they should have that right.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
    #21611051 - 04/28/15 09:15 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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Someone always pays.




The difference is that all the other crap put on tv is for a profit. If someone is paying to put an ad on tv under the guise of an 'editorial' isn't making a profit off of it, it's a political ad. It clearly demonstrates their motive, if they're investing in political 'editorials' that earn no money.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21611091 - 04/28/15 09:31 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

There's no difference.  The TV station would profit from these editorials,  too,  since they would have sponsors. They'd be no different that any show except much shorter.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
    #21611216 - 04/28/15 10:07 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

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If someone is paying to put an ad on tv under the guise of an 'editorial' isn't making a profit off of it, it's a political ad. It clearly demonstrates their motive, if they're investing in political 'editorials' that earn no money.



Exactly.  It's easy to understand if you want to.
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There's no difference.  The TV station would profit from these editorials,  too,  since they would have sponsors.



If they're not accepting any money from the people wanting them to run the political ad, then it's ok.

As has been pointed out, stations that do that would be known as a liberal or conservative stations, and not have the customer base they'd like to target.

Again, no one is trying to eliminate political speech.  Just put a limit on what a single person/corporation can pay for a political ad.  If no one pays the station specifically to run an ad, then it's fine.  If Coke decides they want to sponsor a liberal/conservative station with Coke advertisements, there's nothing wrong with that.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21611238 - 04/28/15 10:13 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

It's not an ad,  though,  according to your test. It's an editorial sponsored by advertisers,  just like any other programing.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
    #21611258 - 04/28/15 10:19 PM (9 years, 21 days ago)

If the person pushing the piece isn't paying the station to get it aired, then I agree.


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