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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21608988 - 04/28/15 12:54 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

As I said before, who's to say he didn't ditch what he had while running?

I'm on Mr grays side, this is obviously the cops fault.


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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: trippinballs420]
    #21608989 - 04/28/15 12:55 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

made piggies run, they got all sweaty, and had to pay him back for that.

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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: koods]
    #21608994 - 04/28/15 12:56 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

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Regardless of what one may think, it's illegal to run from police. I'm not a fan of the police AT ALL, but if you run from them I think they're entitled to stop you and search you, talk to you, etc because more likely then not, you're doing something wrong:shrug:
And who's to say he didn't ditch his 20 dollar crack rock or something when he ran from police. I'm on Mr. Grays side mind you, I believe this is an obvious case of police brutality.
He didn't have a severed spine before meeting the police, but did after he had contact with them. I don't think it can be more black and white than that:shrug:




IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO SIMPLY RUN FROM THE POLICE.  I DONT KNOW WHERE PEOPLE GET THIS INFORMATION. IF YOU SEE A COP AND DECIDE TO RUN, THAT IS NOT ILLEGAL.

Running from the police is not grounds for a search.

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Buck513 said:
Regardless of what one may think, it's illegal to run from police. I'm not a fan of the police AT ALL



did he run from them, or did he run within the vicinity of them. because i think he wasn't even being talked to by police, he just simply "made eye contact with them", which isn't cause for questioning, meaning, there is no cause to give chase. he wasn't "running from them", he was just running within their vicinity. and if the cops still believed they had reasonable suspicion (do they have Robocop like detection of files for people they "eye", or what? no. they don't) they could have not broke his back for a pocket knife that he wasn't brandishing at all. :shrug: it's simple confiscation of paraphernalia. if it's a felony to carry a pocket knife, then they shouldn't have them sold in stores, and they should have knife's in multi-tools then, as they are considered knife's then, no?

it's completely insane.



Its insane that you don't believe making eye contact with police and running isn't a cause to at least stop the person and see what they are doing. Ever watch the show cops? That same exact scenario happens all the time. You're not commiting a crime but there's an obvious reason to stop the person and talk to them.
Don't be foolish.




Insane or not, the Supreme Court says running away from the police is not a crime unless you were already detained.



Running from police can be considered obstruction of justice. If an officer is yelling at you to stop, and you continue running, its likely they will try and charge you with obstruction.


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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: Buck513]
    #21608995 - 04/28/15 12:56 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

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Buck513 said:
As I said before, who's to say he didn't ditch what he had while running?

I'm on Mr grays side, this is obviously the cops fault.



ok, but you don't know. they don't know. they can't find the evidence now either because they chose to break his fuckin' back, right? :cookiemonster: so oh well about your theory. not to say it doesn't have some validity in it's possibility, but... there ya go.

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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21608997 - 04/28/15 12:57 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

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he asked for a riot where whites were involved en masse, and i gave it to him. this was never to with race. there are black AND white cops. this thread is about the event that started the riots in Baltimore, no? well, that isn't a race issue, it's a police issue.






No.  Baltimore and Ferguson are race issues and so was Trayvon because the pimps make them be.  I would like to add to my list of race baiting pimps the liberal press.


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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: koods]
    #21609004 - 04/28/15 12:58 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

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koods said:
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Buck513 said:
Regardless of what one may think, it's illegal to run from police. I'm not a fan of the police AT ALL, but if you run from them I think they're entitled to stop you and search you, talk to you, etc because more likely then not, you're doing something wrong:shrug:
And who's to say he didn't ditch his 20 dollar crack rock or something when he ran from police. I'm on Mr. Grays side mind you, I believe this is an obvious case of police brutality.
He didn't have a severed spine before meeting the police, but did after he had contact with them. I don't think it can be more black and white than that:shrug:




IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO SIMPLY RUN FROM THE POLICE.  I DONT KNOW WHERE PEOPLE GET THIS INFORMATION. IF YOU SEE A COP AND DECIDE TO RUN, THAT IS NOT ILLEGAL.

Running from the police is not grounds for a search.

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Buck513 said:
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akira_akuma said:
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Buck513 said:
Regardless of what one may think, it's illegal to run from police. I'm not a fan of the police AT ALL



did he run from them, or did he run within the vicinity of them. because i think he wasn't even being talked to by police, he just simply "made eye contact with them", which isn't cause for questioning, meaning, there is no cause to give chase. he wasn't "running from them", he was just running within their vicinity. and if the cops still believed they had reasonable suspicion (do they have Robocop like detection of files for people they "eye", or what? no. they don't) they could have not broke his back for a pocket knife that he wasn't brandishing at all. :shrug: it's simple confiscation of paraphernalia. if it's a felony to carry a pocket knife, then they shouldn't have them sold in stores, and they should have knife's in multi-tools then, as they are considered knife's then, no?

it's completely insane.



Its insane that you don't believe making eye contact with police and running isn't a cause to at least stop the person and see what they are doing. Ever watch the show cops? That same exact scenario happens all the time. You're not commiting a crime but there's an obvious reason to stop the person and talk to them.
Don't be foolish.




Insane or not, the Supreme Court says running away from the police is not a crime unless you were already detained.



that's what i keep trying to tell them :facepalm: why koods...? WHY? why is it when someone swings one way, people never be more irate in their lives, the constitution and law and order!!1 and then when things swing against their idealistic notions, NOTIONS, they get all up in arms over AGAINST the SAME THING they once approved of?!

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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21609012 - 04/28/15 01:00 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

This whole fucking story is about race.
Obama could have changed the world like MLK being a black president, but he made the race relations so much worse.


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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: Buck513]
    #21609021 - 04/28/15 01:02 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

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Buck513 said:
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akira_akuma said:
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Buck513 said:
Regardless of what one may think, it's illegal to run from police. I'm not a fan of the police AT ALL



did he run from them, or did he run within the vicinity of them. because i think he wasn't even being talked to by police, he just simply "made eye contact with them", which isn't cause for questioning, meaning, there is no cause to give chase. he wasn't "running from them", he was just running within their vicinity. and if the cops still believed they had reasonable suspicion (do they have Robocop like detection of files for people they "eye", or what? no. they don't) they could have not broke his back for a pocket knife that he wasn't brandishing at all. :shrug: it's simple confiscation of paraphernalia. if it's a felony to carry a pocket knife, then they shouldn't have them sold in stores, and they should have knife's in multi-tools then, as they are considered knife's then, no?

it's completely insane.



Its insane that you don't believe making eye contact with police and running isn't a cause to at least stop the person and see what they are doing. Ever watch the show cops? That same exact scenario happens all the time. You're not commiting a crime but there's an obvious reason to stop the person and talk to them.
Don't be foolish.




Insane or not, the Supreme Court says running away from the police is not a crime unless you were already detained.



Running from police can be considered obstruction of justice. If an officer is yelling at you to stop, and you continue running, its likely they will try and charge you with obstruction.




NO. They need probable cause to stop you. If they have no reason to suspect you are committing a crime, then their request that you stop is an illegal search. The act of running away is not probable cause.


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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21609030 - 04/28/15 01:04 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

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No.  Baltimore and Ferguson are race issues and so was Trayvon because the pimps make them be.  I would like to add to my list of race baiting pimps the liberal press.



they are MADE into race issues FOR AND BY the race pimps. just ignore them, because they are taking a serious issue and turning it into fodder for their agenda. you know it, i know it, so lets try and see eye to eye here, please, don't chase me down... THIS IS MADE into a race issue. agreed? but it isn't one; from the ground up, it is a police brutality issue, in this Baltimore case.

think about it this way, media aside... maybe people see this shit happening more than you see it not happening and don't know it, and they are reacting to these instance's of "perceived" police brutality, and they are idiotically digging deeper holes for themselves to get out  to "hypothetically" prove that this shit (brutality, unfairness, racial stigma ect) is happening... and now think for a second, if that were true... then it'd make sense what is happening. in that Ferguson case, they jumped the gun, but in this case, it doesn't look like it.

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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: koods]
    #21609034 - 04/28/15 01:05 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

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NO. They need probable cause to stop you. If they have no reason to suspect you are committing a crime, then their request that you stop is an illegal search. The act of running away is not probable cause.



i wonder why Enlil isn't here to clarify.

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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21609048 - 04/28/15 01:09 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

If you are trying to evade arrest, then running is a crime. If you have done nothing else but decided to get away from the police, you have committed no crime and your actions do not constitute probable cause.


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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: koods]
    #21609050 - 04/28/15 01:09 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

Police actually don't need probable cause to stop you. A cop can stop you on the street and just want to talk to you, its one of them "am I under arrest or am I free to go?" scenarios.
Have fun trying to hold that up in court that when you make eye contact with police and start running and refuse to stop until they tackle you, that you did nothing wrong:shrug:
Its called being under detention as I'm sure you know. An officer CAN detain you for running from them. Its not like a cop is going to detain a bunch of joggers, but if you're walking around minding your own business, you and a cop see each other then you bolt, then yeah I'm sure just about every jurisdiction would find that probable cause to detain and question that person.


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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21609052 - 04/28/15 01:09 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

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but then the cops find nothing to arrest you for and have broken your back. :shrug: not ethical, not right.




Don’t run from the police and you won’t get tackled and injured.

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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: koods]
    #21609061 - 04/28/15 01:10 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

i thought they were allowed to do that pat n search or ask for id shit?  how does that come into play?


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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: koods]
    #21609062 - 04/28/15 01:10 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

What does "probable" mean?  He had an extensive rap sheet already.


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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: qman]
    #21609068 - 04/28/15 01:11 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

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but then the cops find nothing to arrest you for and have broken your back. :shrug: not ethical, not right.




Don’t run from the police and you won’t get tackled and injured.



So I guess the moral of the story is, don't commit a misdemeanor and you won't be sentenced to death? Gotcha.


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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21609075 - 04/28/15 01:12 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

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What does "probable" mean?  He had an extensive rap sheet already.




So what? The cops couldn't know that until they knew who he was.


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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: qman]
    #21609077 - 04/28/15 01:12 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

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qman said:
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but then the cops find nothing to arrest you for and have broken your back. :shrug: not ethical, not right.




Don’t run from the police and you won’t get tackled and injured.



read kood's post's, and shhh now.

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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21609082 - 04/28/15 01:13 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

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What does "probable" mean?  He had an extensive rap sheet already.



But the officer wouldn't know that unless he had dealings with him in the past. Probable cause is really like a broken tail light, etc a cop has probable cause to stop you. If a cop claims to smell marijuana or something, he can search you.
IMO probable cause is a bit of a gray area in the justice system, its up to the police to feel they have probable cause.


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Re: Baltimore Protests Erupt over Police Killing of Freddie Grey [Re: koods]
    #21609084 - 04/28/15 01:14 PM (9 years, 22 days ago)

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If you are trying to evade arrest, then running is a crime. If you have done nothing else but decided to get away from the police, you have committed no crime and your actions do not constitute probable cause.



yep. and he wasn't evading arrest, because they had not told him he was under arrest; and they didn't find anything to arrest him for, after the fact, anyways... so they were completely negligent of the law, in this case, AND brutes all at once.

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