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kotter


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Hericium question
#18933228 - 10/04/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I encountered a Hericium today that perplexed me. Its large and dense but lies someplace in between what I would normally anticipate in the erinaceous and corolloides that both occur here. It reminds me a lot of the americanum I am growing in bags. (The last photo is a cultivated one that is farther along in development but also fruiting at the same time. I've posted a number of other images of the americanum here also.) I've collected a lot of corolloides off this same log (it is what ate the section that used to extend to the redwood log on the right in the first image) and also, on this same log, have collected one fruiting body of this mushroom each year for the last two years (this being the third time) I first thought this was erinaceous (as it develops fairly long teeth with more time) but had questions about the internal structure. Now I am more puzzled as I found this one in time to get a really good look at it inside and out (both previous times it had gone orange or worse) and the internal texture and overall growth form reminds me more of americanum than erinaceous. (Except for it being huge in comparison to what I am cultivating) Is this just something I could normally encounter in an erinaceous? Thanks for any thoughts.
It was on the upper section of a large dead tan oak that fell five years ago. Growing in a shaded spot on a northfacing slope in Mendocino County, California. No real stem but a fleshy smaller necklike base where it grew out of the log. Starting out really weak & delicate and almost spongy in appearance. Sort of a very light apricot tint on the outside and pure white inside. Delicious Hericium smell. I have no doubt at all about the genus.
I tried to take a dozen clones today using liquid culture with sugars at a dilution of 40 g/L (half in agave nectar and the other half in LME/DEX) The rest of the fruiting body is going into dinner as soon as I've got a spore print.
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Lhun
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Re: Hericium question [Re: kotter] 1
#18933252 - 10/04/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't have an answer to your question, but I would like to come over for dinner...

Nice dense Hericium for sure! I can't wait until all my local logs start fruiting down this way.
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kotter


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Re: Hericium question [Re: Lhun]
#18933327 - 10/04/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is the same americanum in a bag on 25 September. I'm unclear why some fruiting bodies of these have really red highlights on the outside and others don't. They are all white inside.
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jet li
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Re: Hericium question [Re: kotter]
#18933714 - 10/04/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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wowzers that's REALLY RED! sure it's not something foreign on the Hericium?
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Re: Hericium question [Re: jet li]
#18933731 - 10/04/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would also like to come over for dinner.
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Beautiful! Thanks for sharing.
I grew oysters that turned pink for some reason. I think it was the light exposure, but am not entirely sure..?
Personally, I would still definitely eat that Hericium
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kotter


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Re: Hericium question [Re: cameal]
#18935207 - 10/05/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Salmon to pink to reddish is not uncommon on americanum. It almost always has some hint of color but no idea why so much red shows up every now and then. So far its always been a surface phenomenon. The intense red might be a response to some sort of contaminant but I don't know? I've never run into any problem when eating them. If the internal flesh itself picks up a light salmon or beige color it often starts tasting sour to me so before that is the point when I stop harvesting them for dinner. Its clear that Hericium americanum and corolloides can both outmuscle some contaminants and still fruit but the size and yield seems to be adversely impacted and small bits of a grey mold often colonize the base and back of the mushroom itself so it does not seem like a good thing to tolerate. That said, I've let several contaminated jars and bags run their course just to watch what happens in those micro-battle fields and the Hericium is a quite impressive organism. Its little wonder they can live for years while eating a dead tree. When I get back after work today there should be a good deposit of spores so I'll get some photos and post them.
Note the next day: still no spores! I'm guessing it was immature
Here is as much as I can complete for an ID request:
Habitat: Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.
On a dead tan-oak (Lithocarpus) at the transition between solid wood and rotted wood. Heavy shade with some dappled light, mixed regrowth redwood forest with tan-oak, douglas-fir, madrone, huckleberries, Ceonothus incanus and California nutmeg.
Gills: Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.
Toothed.
Stem: Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.
None. Constricted at base where it pushed out of tree.
Cap: Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.
large (6+"), blobby, internally containing voids and cavities and some evidence of internal branching. White internally, sort of apricot on the outside of the fruiting body and white on the lower portions that were not exposed.
Spore print color: Very important!
I would bet it to be white but it seems to be too immature to leave anything visible even after a day.
Bruising: Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.
None
Other information: Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.
Typical mild and nice Hericium smell.
Edited by kotter (10/06/13 04:03 PM)
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kotter


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Re: Hericium question [Re: kotter]
#18940973 - 10/06/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, it has provided no spores. I'm guessing it was immature?
I'm also seriously confused. Michael Kuo lists americanum as only occurring east of here but Pacific Mushrooms says americanum occurs on the West Coast. Does anyone know which opinion on distribution is correct?
The first image below shows internal texture prior to cooking which combined with its taste still leaved me thinking that it is americanum. Its just a guess at this point though.

Edited by kotter (04/13/14 04:39 PM)
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Re: Hericium question [Re: kotter]
#21601728 - 04/26/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know I am reviving an older thread, but I would like to know how to get a spore print of hericium? I was thinking of putting the fruiting body in a container and have aluminum foil under the fruit until it releases its spores
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RuralAnomaly
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are you planning on cultivating it? might try an LC with a bit of the fruiting body or agar?
could try asking in the edible grow forum. people that grow them would probably have a good idea of how to collect spores or if its even worth it.
just a suggestion.
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