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slowgrowloph
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psychotria viridis or psychotria alba?
#21601753 - 04/26/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I traded a really decent amount of rare/hybrid cacti seeds and seedlings here about 4-5 months ago for what was supposed to be psychotria viridis rooted leaves. After letting them grow out I now believe they are psychotria alba not viridis. Can anyone confirm this? I'm pretty disappointed... 

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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: slowgrowloph]
#21601764 - 04/26/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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only making tea will tell you true  looks like a slightly too much sun or not enough nutrients viridis to me...
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1234go
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: shadowman-x]
#21602684 - 04/27/15 06:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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A close up of underneath one of the leaves would help. Looks Alba though.
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slowgrowloph
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: 1234go]
#21603362 - 04/27/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: slowgrowloph]
#21604059 - 04/27/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pretty certain you've got Alba.
On viridis the leaf extends all the way to the end of the petiole.

A little something else, possibly helpful.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13043732/fpart/all/filter/i/vc/1
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: 1234go]
#21604342 - 04/27/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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slowgrowloph
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: 1234go]
#21608982 - 04/28/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well that's a bummer. Id really like to believe the person I traded with for these believed they were viridis and didn't knowingly lie about what he was sending me... So whats the deal with alba? Is it still a decent source of alkaloids or is viridis much better? I'm still happy to have it as part of my garden but id still like a virids
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: slowgrowloph]
#21609186 - 04/28/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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From what I've gathered, most of what is out there on the auction sites etc. is alba, even when sold as viridis, however, alba will still get you where you want to go, though it might take a bit more. I've also heard that it grows faster anyway.
Edited by RiparianZoneJunky (04/28/15 01:38 PM)
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slowgrowloph
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Awesome! Im glad to hear they arent totally junk compared to viridis. Thanks for the help identifying it guys
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: slowgrowloph]
#21609521 - 04/28/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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slowgrowloph said: Well that's a bummer. Id really like to believe the person I traded with for these believed they were viridis and didn't knowingly lie about what he was sending me... So whats the deal with alba? Is it still a decent source of alkaloids or is viridis much better? I'm still happy to have it as part of my garden but id still like a virids 
And hey I could be wrong man.
But yeah either way, it's a nice plant to have.
I'm not sure about the alkaloids. But I've heard it's pretty low, sometimes negligible. Alba DOES grow a lot faster. In fact I regret buying 4 of them, they're getting large and I'm running out of room.
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: 1234go]
#21635446 - 05/04/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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RiparianZoneJunky said: From what I've gathered, most of what is out there on the auction sites etc. is alba, even when sold as viridis, however, alba will still get you where you want to go, though it might take a bit more. I've also heard that it grows faster anyway. 
 Like Riparian said, intentional or not, most p viridis sold on the new is alba. But it's not a total loss. It's slightly faster growing, but also slightly weaker...
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1234go said:

Also worthy to note- on the viridis, the veins are opposite each other, where alba has alternating veins. From what I've read, this is the most telling trait between the two.
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: cowsRmeat]
#21638328 - 05/05/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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cowsRmeat said:
Also worthy to note- on the viridis, the veins are opposite each other, where alba has alternating veins. From what I've read, this is the most telling trait between the two.
Good call. It's been a while since I've read about Alba/Viridis, I had forgotten about that. Definitely a more efficient way to do it.
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: 1234go]
#21638434 - 05/05/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Solid info about the alternating veins!!
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: slowgrowloph]
#24884457 - 01/02/18 06:02 AM (6 years, 27 days ago) |
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Dont Focus on the Vain pattern, The Key things to look at in order to tell if you have Alba is by looking at the leaves and if the leaf meets the stem you have viridis, if it finishes before you do not

also Alba has white flowers, viridis has green flowers, and the bottom of viridis where you see the vains looks almost like a spine is coming out
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: SICKFREDO]
#24890027 - 01/04/18 03:17 PM (6 years, 25 days ago) |
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Im not so shure about this beeing an P.Alba. P.Alba does have a bit of "stem" on the leaf where the leaf of P.Viridis starts at the base where the leaf attaches to the plant.
However, i have seen other pictures of both viridis and alba and usually the "stem" part of P.Alba are longer and more defined. Like this, that supposedly is P-Alba:

If you compare the leafs in the picture above with the pictures in the original post in the top, then im not so sure. On these leafs above the veins are some mix between alternating and opposite and these are said to be albas. But i am no expert at this, you should get some oppinion of someone who knows these things for certain.
If you want do extractions, you want the P.Viridis variety i think. I have heard and read P.Albas are no good and i have seen some comparison measurements of the 2, but it was so long ago i have not the links anymore. But you can certainly find out by do some digging on the net. Im sure there are some info on this as the viridis vs alba has been talked about quite much.
Good luck, i hope you have the P.Viridis variety.
Edit: It seems probable this is an P.Alba. After some searching about this the P.Viridis seems to look very much like shown in post 5 and the link in post 6. Also the wayvy leaf edges seem to be a trait seen only in albas.
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Edited by Mateo (01/05/18 09:44 AM)
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pablokabute
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Quote:
RiparianZoneJunky said: From what I've gathered, most of what is out there on the auction sites etc. is alba, even when sold as viridis, however, alba will still get you where you want to go, though it might take a bit more. I've also heard that it grows faster anyway.
I havent seen any papers regarding alba's dmt contents.
Can anyone cite anything about alba?
I might have alba too, unknowingly... I thought it was viridis for many, MANY years.
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: pablokabute]
#28145381 - 01/18/23 03:02 AM (1 year, 10 days ago) |
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pablokabute said:
I havent seen any papers regarding alba's dmt contents.
Can anyone cite anything about alba?
the dmt nexus made analyses on the alkaloids of several plants:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59967
what came out for the alba :
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Psychotria alba / carthagenensis
Samples 1-9
No DMT neither other tryptamines found in any sample.
Substances found: Vitamin E, fatty acids.
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pablokabute
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Cosmikktraveler said:
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pablokabute said:
I havent seen any papers regarding alba's dmt contents.
Can anyone cite anything about alba?
the dmt nexus made analyses on the alkaloids of several plants:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59967
what came out for the alba :
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Psychotria alba / carthagenensis
Samples 1-9
No DMT neither other tryptamines found in any sample.
Substances found: Vitamin E, fatty acids.
Bummer. I was gonna cut every single leaf up individually and make some sort of paste from tea-ing and then reducing the tea. Is this a lost cause?
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: pablokabute]
#28146951 - 01/19/23 04:52 AM (1 year, 9 days ago) |
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Tnx for the reply cosmikktraveler.
Even the short description in wikipedia for carthegenensis says it's devoid of alkaloids.
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Re: psychotria viridis or psychotria alba? [Re: slowgrowloph]
#28158982 - 01/26/23 08:17 PM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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from the picture OP posted, it's hard to see the spikes on a young leaf, but i think i see them, that means it's p.viridis or possible crossbreed...
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slowgrowloph said:

you can know by the tiny 'spikes' of center vein on the back. p.alba does not have any spikes. i have p.alba, p.viridis, p.nexus, p.horizontal, p.dw02, to confirm all have spikes except p.alba.
alba is still interesting as it is the most cold hardy, and can be crossbred with the other types.
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