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Offlinecypressroots
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anyone else read this addiction article?
    #21591991 - 04/24/15 06:55 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936.html

My personal experiences match the conclusions of the article/research... thoughts?

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Re: anyone else read this addiction article? [Re: cypressroots]
    #21592080 - 04/24/15 07:17 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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cypressroots said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936.html

My personal experiences match the conclusions of the article/research... thoughts?




Lack of bonding?  Look, tweekers hang out together for freaking days and nights on end looking at rocks and porn.  How much longer of a bonding period to they need not to do meth?  Or at raves those MDMA people seem pretty damn happy in fact so much so with so much bonding they may just it more.  And stoners just love to share a joint and a story.

I think your article is crap, written in longhand by someone with a creepy agenda that I haven't figured out yet but already pisses me off.

That's what I think.


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Re: anyone else read this addiction article? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #21592132 - 04/24/15 07:31 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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LunarEclipse said:
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cypressroots said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936.html

My personal experiences match the conclusions of the article/research... thoughts?




Lack of bonding?  Look, tweekers hang out together for freaking days and nights on end looking at rocks and porn.  How much longer of a bonding period to they need not to do meth?  Or at raves those MDMA people seem pretty damn happy in fact so much so with so much bonding they may just it more.  And stoners just love to share a joint and a story.

I think your article is crap, written in longhand by someone with a creepy agenda that I haven't figured out yet but already pisses me off.

That's what I think.




You sound a little defensive.

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Re: anyone else read this addiction article? [Re: cypressroots]
    #21592211 - 04/24/15 07:51 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

Look, this article is full of errors.  Human connection and bonding sustain a lot of drug use.  As Burroughs said, addiction results from exposure.  The article tries to be scientific using "studies," but all of them are biased and flawed. 

And if you legalized all drugs tomorrow, essentially users would remain users and non-users would remain non-users.  I could go into much greater depth on some of the points of the article, but what's the point?  This article is not right.  And is also a little bit sentimental for something that tries to approach clinical relevance.  :thumbdown:


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Re: anyone else read this addiction article? [Re: Mquire]
    #21592309 - 04/24/15 08:14 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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Mquire said:
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LunarEclipse said:
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cypressroots said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936.html

My personal experiences match the conclusions of the article/research... thoughts?




Lack of bonding?  Look, tweekers hang out together for freaking days and nights on end looking at rocks and porn.  How much longer of a bonding period to they need not to do meth?  Or at raves those MDMA people seem pretty damn happy in fact so much so with so much bonding they may just it more.  And stoners just love to share a joint and a story.

I think your article is crap, written in longhand by someone with a creepy agenda that I haven't figured out yet but already pisses me off.

That's what I think.




You sound a little defensive.




The idea is to defend a position.  Do you have a position other than making it about me?  What do you think?  Meth is good?


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Re: anyone else read this addiction article? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21592324 - 04/24/15 08:18 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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And if you legalized all drugs tomorrow, essentially users would remain users and non-users would remain non-users. 




you don't really think that do you?

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Re: anyone else read this addiction article? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #21592374 - 04/24/15 08:31 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

LunarEclipse said:
Quote:

cypressroots said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936.html

My personal experiences match the conclusions of the article/research... thoughts?




Lack of bonding?  Look, tweekers hang out together for freaking days and nights on end looking at rocks and porn.  How much longer of a bonding period to they need not to do meth?  Or at raves those MDMA people seem pretty damn happy in fact so much so with so much bonding they may just it more.  And stoners just love to share a joint and a story.

I think your article is crap, written in longhand by someone with a creepy agenda that I haven't figured out yet but already pisses me off.

That's what I think.




Hm, I read it as saying people who haven't bonded successfully bond with drugs too much as a substitute, and we all bond with drugs much like we do with other people.

I'd say it's fair I have a relationship with the drugs I've used.  A good, healthy one with the ones that fit well into the positives in my life and other relationships, and a bad one with drugs that fit into my bad side/negative relationships.

Not black and white, of course, but....
And I'm thinking of the differences between say, smoking cigarettes which, in retrospect, was extremely emotional and had a lot to do with my childhood, versus mushrooms, for instance....  never been a problem, but has to do with my spirituality instead.
Plenty of people use tobacco spiritually, positively, etc...

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Re: anyone else read this addiction article? [Re: Hippocampus]
    #21592375 - 04/24/15 08:31 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

It seems to be true in Colorado, at least with weed.


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Re: anyone else read this addiction article? [Re: cypressroots]
    #21592382 - 04/24/15 08:33 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

Not saying using drugs is bad, but that true, destructive drug use is a result not of chemicals, but human emotion (also chemicals, but....)

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Re: anyone else read this addiction article? [Re: cypressroots]
    #21593614 - 04/25/15 02:51 AM (9 years, 25 days ago)

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cypressroots said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936.html

My personal experiences match the conclusions of the article/research... thoughts?




Great and inspiring article. Only yesterday I linked a thread to Dr Gabor Maté talking about this



When we are talking about 'connection', as good as the OP article is it is only really referring to lost human connection, but our loss of connection goes even more deeper than that. Yes it does also mention feelings--which is deep--but does not mention the loss of connection with the natural environment and with other species.

We have all been (and continue to be) MASSIVELY traumatized by the our enslavement by the oppressive people who rule this planet and wage wars, including even on drugs, on PLANTS and FUNGI--for fucks sake!!-- and the taking away of our connection with the land--not just practically but on deep spiritual levels!

What the toxic myth-makers have done is disassociate us from our feelings, emotions, our sensual bodies, and also other species (calling them and our bodies and the environment and the universe mechanical!)and all of the natural world. And THEN they substitute their world of consumerism, and of course this includes THEIR drugs too. So there utter irrationality--albiet contrived--to on one hand wage war on 'illegal drugs' whilst spending MILLIONS on pushing their own drugs and raking in BILLIONS! And they will call our symptoms of our trauma of disconnection 'mental illness' which they coerce we need their drugs for!

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Re: anyone else read this addiction article? [Re: zzripz]
    #21593828 - 04/25/15 06:36 AM (9 years, 25 days ago)

The admitted socialist in that video proclaims that welfare mothers with a bunch of kids need to stay with her for years and years.  Yes, keeping her on welfare keeps her with those kids who can learn from her entitlement mentality and complete irresponsibility for herself that yes, in fact, the State will provide.

What a retarded argument, unless you are a socialist like the "good" doctor.  Then it makes sense, welfare is in fact good.


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Re: anyone else read this addiction article? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #21594004 - 04/25/15 07:54 AM (9 years, 25 days ago)

Are YOU on welfare?

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Re: anyone else read this addiction article? [Re: zzripz]
    #21594217 - 04/25/15 09:05 AM (9 years, 25 days ago)

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Are YOU on welfare?




Seriously?  I'm starting to wonder if you are on delusions.  That video from your good doctor was pure propaganda, yet you worship him as if he is telling you something good.  Wake up and smell the socialism.  But if you like your socialism, and live in England, it's a good smell like freshly minted money out of thin air to feed the masses.


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Re: anyone else read this addiction article? [Re: zzripz]
    #21594617 - 04/25/15 11:17 AM (9 years, 25 days ago)

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LunarEclipse said:
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zzripz said:
Are YOU on welfare?




Seriously?  I'm starting to wonder if you are on delusions.  That video from your good doctor was pure propaganda, yet you worship him as if he is telling you something good.  Wake up and smell the socialism.  But if you like your socialism, and live in England, it's a good smell like freshly minted money out of thin air to feed the masses.





Hey, I didn't watc  the video, but, I use the social services available to me, sorry not sorry! 

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zzripz said:
Quote:

cypressroots said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936.html

My personal experiences match the conclusions of the article/research... thoughts?




Great and inspiring article. Only yesterday I linked a thread to Dr Gabor Maté talking about this



When we are talking about 'connection', as good as the OP article is it is only really referring to lost human connection, but our loss of connection goes even more deeper than that. Yes it does also mention feelings--which is deep--but does not mention the loss of connection with the natural environment and with other species.

We have all been (and continue to be) MASSIVELY traumatized by the our enslavement by the oppressive people who rule this planet and wage wars, including even on drugs, on PLANTS and FUNGI--for fucks sake!!-- and the taking away of our connection with the land--not just practically but on deep spiritual levels!

What the toxic myth-makers have done is disassociate us from our feelings, emotions, our sensual bodies, and also other species (calling them and our bodies and the environment and the universe mechanical!)and all of the natural world. And THEN they substitute their world of consumerism, and of course this includes THEIR drugs too. So there utter irrationality--albiet contrived--to on one hand wage war on 'illegal drugs' whilst spending MILLIONS on pushing their own drugs and raking in BILLIONS! And they will call our symptoms of our trauma of disconnection 'mental illness' which they coerce we need their drugs for!





Well, I have some differing opinions on the drug war, but I agree, we're all hurting from our severance from mother earth.

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