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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21590529 - 04/24/15 01:12 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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Abscesses, liver failure, and heart failure are all from improper technique...IE infections from dirty needles ..like hep C. They are not from the drug itself.



False. Arrhythmia and pulmonary edema develop from long term use, and heart and liver failure have NOTHING to do with improper technique. This is from reduced oxygen into the lungs - an effect of the drug itself.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: D.M.T]
    #21590536 - 04/24/15 01:13 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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D.M.T said:
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Thayendanegea said:
Abscesses, liver failure, and heart failure are all from improper technique...IE infections from dirty needles ..like hep C. They are not from the drug itself.



False. Arrhythmia and pulmonary edema develop from long term use, and heart and liver failure have NOTHING to do with improper technique. This is from reduced oxygen into the lungs - an effect of the drug itself.




get out of here with your correct information! this thread is for fallacious reasoning only!


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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: D.M.T]
    #21590654 - 04/24/15 01:45 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

Shut up I speed balls every day with 100% pure heroin and cocaine I get off the dark webs. My super sweet test kit even tells me as much.

I feel better then I ever have I have increased muscle mass my erection is harder I last longer in bed. I awake every day refreshed and ready to tae on the day.

Not only that but I went to the doctor and faked diabetes so now I always have a clean needle . Remember kids a clean junkie is a safe junkie.


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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Hakim0777]
    #21590656 - 04/24/15 01:46 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

Put a heroin addict in a house with an unlimited supply of pure heroin.

Put a alcoholic in a house with an unlimited supply or pure alcohol.


Who will live longer?


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I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: trekie]
    #21590657 - 04/24/15 01:48 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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trekie said:
Shut up I speed balls every day with 100% pure heroin and cocaine I get off the dark webs. My super sweet test kit even tells me as much.

I feel better then I ever have I have increased muscle mass my erection is harder I last longer in bed. I awake every day refreshed and ready to tae on the day.

Not only that but I went to the doctor and faked diabetes so now I always have a clean needle . Remember kids a clean junkie is a safe junkie.


:maximumtrolling:





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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21590678 - 04/24/15 01:53 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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You drink too much alcohol...you throw up; IV too much heroin....you're dead.



You eat too much heroin... You throw up; IV too much alcohol... you're dead.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #21590703 - 04/24/15 01:59 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

you eat too much heroin, you fuckin die. lol


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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Hakim0777]
    #21590767 - 04/24/15 02:13 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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you eat too much heroin, you fuckin die. lol



Not normally, no. You puke.

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The pharmacology of heroin explains why it is seven times more toxic than morphine and three times more toxic than monoacetylmorphine when given intravenously (19). The route of heroin administration also strongly affects the drug's potential to cause death or overdose. Most fatal and nonfatal heroin overdoses occur when the drug is administered intravenously. A small number of heroin-related deaths have been associated with intranasal administration (30-35). In one series (4), the intramuscular and subcutaneous routes accounted for only 0.3% and 0.5% of nonfatal heroin overdoses, respectively. These routes allow extensive peripheral hydrolysis and therefore limit toxicity (19). Only one death from oral heroin administration has been reported (36)




http://www.moravek.org/ovisnosti/annintmed-01.htm


But no, I'm sure that can't be right because drugs are bad (and alcohol's totally not a drug right).

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #21590801 - 04/24/15 02:21 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

lol no. im sorry but if eating it is 30% or so bioavailable, I wouldnt have to eat that much to die. Ive eaten heroin to get high. if its 30% and 100% intravenous, I would only have to eat 3x my normal dose. thats not shit.

you are making shit up.


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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #21590806 - 04/24/15 02:22 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

Black tar is kids play compared to China white.

China white kills more from I've seen then tar.

Why? Idk I don't do the shit.


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blankk said to fee:
btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp
Turtletotem said:
I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Hakim0777]
    #21590807 - 04/24/15 02:23 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

only one death because its pretty uncommon to eat heroin. plenty of people used to eat opium tho and they died all the time.


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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Hakim0777]
    #21590923 - 04/24/15 02:58 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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lol no. im sorry but if eating it is 30% or so bioavailable, I wouldnt have to eat that much to die. Ive eaten heroin to get high. if its 30% and 100% intravenous, I would only have to eat 3x my normal dose. thats not shit.

you are making shit up.



Yes, I'm just making up the statistics I quoted and linked. Totally.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: D.M.T]
    #21590944 - 04/24/15 03:03 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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I'm not even going to bother asking for a source.



Is it because you don't like what you're reading? 

It's funny because countries where alcohol use is more prevalent have more deaths per capita from alcohol, and countries where heroin use is more prevalent have more deaths per capita from heroin. Policy has little to do with it - in countries where heroin use is more prevalent than alcohol, both drugs are illegal. Are stats 'foolproof facts'? No. But they give you a good idea of a situation, and fact is heroin deaths do occur at high rates where it's common.

Source is World Health Organization by the way.




No it is because I don't think it even matters if that is true or not, as the two cultures are so vastly different at this point.  Afghanistan is a war zone, and a huge victim of the drug war.  That would be like trying to say that we need to make drugs illegal because look how violent Mexicans get when they start selling drugs.

I never even said that it should be a product on store shelves.  I am all for regulation, but the only people who should be punished are those that sell drugs in a way that is irresponsible and puts money before human lives.  Addicts should be treated and those that seek to profit off of drugs should do so publicly and in a way where the taxes they pay can at least be used to negate some of the damage that these drugs might do.

Regarding Portugal, who I feel comfortable comparing to the US:

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Five years later, the number of deaths from street drug overdoses dropped from around 400 to 290 annually, and the number of new HIV cases caused by using dirty needles to inject heroin, cocaine and other illegal substances plummeted from nearly 1,400 in 2000 to about 400 in 2006,  according to a report released recently by the Cato Institute, a Washington, D.C, libertarian think tank.




Even if slightly more people did use, which I kinda doubt will be a serious trend, it makes things a million times safer and costs society so much less.  There is literally no reason for prohibition other than greed and unfounded fears.  The people who think that if you legalize heroin everyone will run and get addicted to heroin are so deluded it is ridiculous.  Force war on a country?  Yeah many are going to turn to heroin and benzos to cope if that is an option, who can blame them?

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21590983 - 04/24/15 03:12 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

I never said drugs should be prohibited. I actually wrote a ten page essay on why drugs should be legal in college. (1991 I believe)

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: D.M.T]
    #21591051 - 04/24/15 03:31 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

Ok no problem then.  I'm just ranting mostly.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: fee]
    #21591437 - 04/24/15 04:57 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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fee said:
Black tar is kids play compared to China white.

China white kills more from I've seen then tar.

Why? Idk I don't do the shit.



Its probably cut with fentanyl more often.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #21591600 - 04/24/15 05:26 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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fee said:
Black tar is kids play compared to China white.

China white kills more from I've seen then tar.

Why? Idk I don't do the shit.



Its probably cut with fentanyl more often.




or maybe opiates at those doses are just dangerous. have you ever seen a twenty of china? its not shit for powder.


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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Hakim0777]
    #21591865 - 04/24/15 06:27 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

This thread makes me want some China white and some good bourbon....

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21593351 - 04/25/15 12:29 AM (9 years, 25 days ago)

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nicechrisman said:
I can drink as much alcohol as possible and the worst that has ever happened to me is that I've gotten very sick and felt like shit for a couple days. If I were to take as much heroin as possible I would be dead.





people have died from the over consumption of marijuana alone



source?




this one shows 2 deaths but there's a 3rd that's been caused by marijuana
recently, there's no telling how many deaths were actually caused by marijuana
over the years that havent been attributed tot he drug simply because it's
always been thought to be so safe and no one has bothered to look

http://time.com/10372/marijuana-deaths-german-study/





It says allegedly. that article is some sketchy bs too!
Cannabis is not lethal.  It's still agreed upon that no one's ever died from it.
The amount of pure thc it took to kill a rat was more volume than would fit in the rats body...


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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #21593591 - 04/25/15 02:38 AM (9 years, 25 days ago)

People have heart attacks during sex. If you are in the condition to have a heart attack a lot of things can trigger it


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