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More WMDs found
    #2158899 - 12/04/03 07:16 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Sorry if I got anyone's hopes up, they've found some more in the US instead. This time the alleged terrorists were white supremacists, their WMD being a sodium cyanide bomb. I'd be interested to know if this made it onto the main news in the US at all (the article is dated Nov. 26, emphasis mine).

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CBS 11 Investigates Poison Gas Plot
Nov 26, 2003 3:30 pm US/Central

By Robert Riggs
With Investigative Producer Todd Bensman

Federal authorities this year mounted one of the most extensive investigations of domestic terrorism since the Oklahoma City bombing, CBS 11 has learned.

Three people linked to white supremacist and anti-government groups are in custody. At least one weapon of mass destruction - a sodium cyanide bomb capable of delivering a deadly gas cloud - has been seized in the Tyler area.

Investigators have seized at least 100 other bombs, bomb components, machine guns, 500,000 rounds of ammunition and chemical agents. But the government also found some chilling personal documents indicating that unknown co-conspirators may still be free to carry out what appeared to be an advanced plot. And, authorities familiar with the case say more potentially deadly cyanide bombs may be in circulation.

Since arresting the three people in May, federal agents have served hundreds of subpoenas across the country in a domestic terror investigation that made it onto President Bush?s daily intelligence briefings and set off national security alarms among the country?s most senior counter-terror officials.

William J. Krar, originally from New Hampshire, last week pleaded guilty in Tyler federal court to possession of a chemical weapon near the East Texas town of Noonday. He faces up to ten years in prison. His common-law wife, Judith Bruey, pleaded guilty to lesser weapons charges and faces up to five years in prison.

Also arrested this past Spring was Newark, New Jersey resident Edward Feltus. The New Jersey Militia member has pleaded guilty to attempting to purchase fake United Nations and Department of Defense identity cards from Krar.

All three have steadfastly maintained their silence, even though talking could reduce their prison sentences, and the investigation has stalled for now. Evidence seized and the fact that none of the defendants will talk has given rise to speculation that unknown conspirators may be still be involved in a broader plot to use Krar?s home-built chemical weapons, government officials say.

?One would certainly have to question why an individual would feel compelled to stockpile sodium cyanide, hydrochloric acid, nitric acid, acetic acid, unless they had some bad intent,? said Assistant U.S. Attorney Wes Rivers, who is prosecuting the case. ?They certainly had the capacity to be extremely dangerous.?

Terrorism investigators suspect that Krar, who has paid no federal income taxes since 1988, made his living as a traveling arms salesman who pedaled illicit bomb components and other weapons to violent underground anti-government groups across the country.

Sources familiar with the investigation say authorities especially fear that Krar may have manufactured more than one sodium cyanide bomb and sold them. After a traffic stop earlier this year while Krar was traveling through Tennessee, state troopers seized sodium cyanide among other weapons, one government source confirmed.

During the same stop, troopers found notes in Krar?s car.

One of the notes titled ?Trip? recommends, ?You will need cash, pre-charged phone card, spare gas can and all planning in place.?

Another note titled ?Procedure? appears to represent instructions for carrying out some kind of covert operation. It lists code words for cities where meetings can take place at motels. Other codes appear to be warnings about how close police might be to catching the plotters. ?Lots of light storms are predicted,? for instance, means ?Move fast before they look any harder. We have a limited window remaining.?

The same note goes on to recommend ways to divert pursuers and suggests, ?We want all looking in the wrong direction.?

Since the attacks of September 11, 2001, counter-terrorism agencies have been consumed by national efforts to ferret out U.S.-based foreign terrorist cells whose members hail from the Middle East. Federal investigators were not looking for white supremacist groups when they stumbled across Krar by accident.

He drew the FBI?s attention when he sent a package of counterfeit ID?s for the United Nations and Defense Intelligence Agency to Feltus? New Jersey home earlier this year. The package was mistakenly delivered to a Staten Island man, who opened it and called police.

A note found inside and signed by Krar stated, ?Hope this package gets to you O.K. We would hate to have this fall into the wrong hands.?

The discovery led to surveillance operations in and around Tyler, and then search warrants that turned up the Sodium cyanide bomb and other illegal weapons at locations controlled by Krar.

Little is known about Krar and Bruey.

Two years ago, the couple quietly set up business as a gun parts manufacturer at a remote storage locker in Noonday, Texas. Krar apparently has similarly operated his businesses under the radar for years in other states before coming to Texas. As he did in Tyler, Krar rented local post office boxes and storage units.

In one affidavit for a search warrant, an FBI agent noted that Krar was ?actively involved in the militia movement?a good source of covert weaponry for white supremacist and anti-government militia groups in New Hampshire.?

Until now, the little town just south of Tyler was best known locally for the sweet onions grown there.

Teresa Staples, who owns the storage facility, said Krar pretended to buy and sell army surplus goods at flea markets. Only later, when FBI agents swarmed the place, did she learn that the surplus goods hid dangerous chemicals and weapons.

?Why did they pick such a small storage facility? Why did they pick this town, because I know they?re from up north,? she said. ?How did they find us??

This was not the first time that Krar has drawn the attention of federal investigators. In 1995, the ATF investigated Krar and another man on weapons charges. The other suspect told authorities at the time that he and Krar shared an abiding hatred of the federal government and had been planning to bomb government facilities, court records show. But the suspect later recanted the story about plotting terror attacks with Krar. Krar denied the allegation and was not arrested, according to records.

According to a more recent FBI affidavit, on the day of the 9-11 terrorist attacks, Krar raised suspicion at a New Hampshire storage unit he was renting. An employee called the FBI that day and reported that Krar was ?wicked anti-American.?

While authorities work for a new break in the case, some counter-terrorism experts question whether the government might be overlooking dangers closer to home while fighting the War on Terror in the Middle East.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors domestic hate groups, says the number of openly violent groups dropped from more than 1,000 to about 100 after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing because of negative public sentiment. Groups that call East Texas home include the Ku Klux Klan, the Aryan Nations and Christian Identity.

In 1997, the Dallas FBI broke up a terror plot by members of the Ku Klux Klan to blow up a Wise County power plant.

Former Dallas FBI Special Agent in Charge Danny Coulson was involved in the nation?s first stand-offs with domestic anti-government groups and mounted some of the first intensive domestic terror investigations. He cautioned that authorities should take care not to forget about domestic groups while concentrating on foreign ones.

?It?s scary when you look at their capabilities,? he said. ?Look at the vulnerabilities of our society. We don?t have to concern ourselves only with foreign terrorists, but we need to concern ourselves with domestic terrorists too. And these guys are very dangerous.?




I also find it interesting that Mr White Supremacist is facing only 10 years for possession of a chemical weapon, while Muslim men held illegally without charge in Guantanamo Bay could be facing the death penalty via a kangaroo military court.


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: Edame]
    #2159008 - 12/04/03 07:59 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Posessing a chemical weapon and killing people are two VERY different charges...


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2159020 - 12/04/03 08:04 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

What's your point? None of the men held at gitmo have been charged with anything, never mind 'killing people'.


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2159110 - 12/04/03 08:40 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

sometimes I wonder if you shouldn't do a better
job of choosing your battles and thinking about
your posts first.


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2159146 - 12/04/03 08:50 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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Posessing a chemical weapon and killing people are two VERY different charges...




That's kind of the whole point. A few chemists can make this stuff in a shed.(I remind you that simple chlorine gas is deadly.) Invading a whole country over them is pretty stupid.


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2161165 - 12/05/03 01:24 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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Posessing a chemical weapon and killing people are two VERY different charges...




Exactly.





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Re: More WMDs found [Re: Edame]
    #2161391 - 12/05/03 02:25 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

Did anyone in the US spot this in the news? You'd think this would get some coverage considering it's terrorism related. Every time Bin Laden releases a simple video tape the media goes nuts.


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The above is an extract from my fictional novel, "The random postings of Edame".
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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: Edame]
    #2162031 - 12/05/03 05:08 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

It had good coverage where I am.


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: Edame]
    #2162051 - 12/05/03 05:12 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

I didn't hear a thing about it.. but then again, the media is understandably quite busy covering the Michael Jackson case


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2162056 - 12/05/03 05:13 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

nahh, americans can't be terrorists as long as they are white and only terrorize non-whites. its the shining exception to all the mind-numbing anti-terrorism laws. they will probably just have the device confiscated and lose their non-profit status, hmm, nah, probably nothing that extreme....


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2162378 - 12/05/03 06:57 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

I can find hundreds of arcticles relating to "White supremacists" that have been unfairly jailed by the thought Police. Ihardly think that the gov't lets thm get away with it.


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: monoamine]
    #2162383 - 12/05/03 06:58 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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Posessing a chemical weapon and killing people are two VERY different charges...




That's kind of the whole point. A few chemists can make this stuff in a shed.(I remind you that simple chlorine gas is deadly.) Invading a whole country over them is pretty stupid.




Hey, I can gas a few in my shed, should we not go after nations that do that as well? I can launch attacks on my neighbors from my shed, is that OK?


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2164535 - 12/06/03 05:24 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

yeah sure. why not avenge all your klan bros who are being percecuted by the "thought police" dumbshit.
those aformentioned people in jail are there for a variety of good reasons. they're just too incompetant and angry at the surrounding world to realize it. Blame just about evrything and anything wrong with their lives on people of different lineage, beleif, or just plain color. like some territorial animal.
im sure you have alot of sob stories from incercerated racists, after all, they complain a hell of alot about delusional shit. and the prisons are full of them. and you probably subscibe to their newsletters and maybe even go to rallies and suck up all the rhetoric.
my point is that they aren't treated as "terrorists" they are treated as criminals, they SHOULD be treated as terrorists, unfortuneately the powers that be only seem to identify attacks against america from outside and attacks on government from inside as "terrorism" and these are the people they detain in camps and execute.
the terrorism conducted by extremest hate groups is downgraded to "hate crimes"
if the constitution had to be ammended to facilitate the bugging and surveilance of private citezens for the purpose of terrorism reduction, then why arent they cracking down on huge terrorist sects like the higly-organized KKK or W.S. gangs. it would be so easy to catch them since theyre practically blinded by hatred and already stupid. they have to catch them with a goddamn gas bomb before they even look.


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2164577 - 12/06/03 05:37 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

"dumbshit" sounds very flame-like to me... Wanna clarify that?


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2164603 - 12/06/03 05:47 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

ok, supporting the rasict agenda = dumbshit
hiding behind forum regulations = lack of balls

sorry for the half-post BTW


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2164814 - 12/06/03 07:11 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

I'm not supporting the "Racist" agenda anymore than people who are against the war in Iraq are supporting gassing of Kurds and mass executions. Thats a lil thing we call "ABSTRACT THOUGHT", eh?

If racists were rounded up by the government and executed, I'd flip shit and take out my rifles to do what I could to stop it, not because I want to help them, per se, but because I think that people shouldn't be punished solely because of their belief system.


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2164860 - 12/06/03 07:28 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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yeah sure. why not avenge all your klan bros who are being percecuted by the "thought police" dumbshit.




Read my post relating to this. Thanks for changing this to eliminate the flame of me, so sweet of you.
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those aformentioned people in jail are there for a variety of good reasons. they're just too incompetant and angry at the surrounding world to realize it. Blame just about evrything and anything wrong with their lives on people of different lineage, beleif, or just plain color. like some territorial animal.




Randy Weaver and his son are dead because he had a shotgun with a barrel 1/4th of an inch less than the Government said thathe should, when he was illegaly conned into producing said weapon by a government employee.
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im sure you have alot of sob stories from incercerated racists, after all, they complain a hell of alot about delusional shit. and the prisons are full of them.




No, just alot from incarcerated racists that are there on trumped up charges.
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and you probably subscibe to their newsletters and maybe even go to rallies and suck up all the rhetoric.




What the fuck, you can't possibly be this stupid? Are you going to accuse every person here who says that Israel is harsh or brutal to the Palestinean people of being a member of Hamas?

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my point is that they aren't treated as "terrorists" they are treated as criminals, they SHOULD be treated as terrorists, unfortuneately the powers that be only seem to identify attacks against america from outside and attacks on government from inside as "terrorism" and these are the people they detain in camps and execute.




I don't see, exactly, how we COULD treat them as terrorist anymroe than charging them with a crime, and sentancing them to jail for it? RICO laws are designed to fight against internal terrorists.
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the terrorism conducted by extremest hate groups is downgraded to "hate crimes"




Hah, "hate crime" is the stupidest combination of word I've ever heard. If I shoot a white guy because he fucked my wife, would that be a "love" crime?
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if the constitution had to be ammended to facilitate the bugging and surveilance of private citezens for the purpose of terrorism reduction, then why arent they cracking down on huge terrorist sects like the higly-organized KKK or W.S. gangs. it would be so easy to catch them since theyre practically blinded by hatred and already stupid. they have to catch them with a goddamn gas bomb before they even look.




Uh, didn't they CATCH someone? Isn't that what this ENTIRE fucking article is about?

Also, the KKK and most White Seperatist groups are not "higly" organized. They are pissed off people who like to drink beer, shoot guns, read the Turner Diaries and dream of a vilent revolution, but they most definatly are not "higly" organized.

Also, how would they have caught them with a gas bomb before they looked? Wouldn't looking, just as a matter of grammer and fact, have to have come first? *shrug*


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2166540 - 12/07/03 03:09 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Just throw them all in jail for all I care.. They seem to like being able to play make believe.. They can do that all they want there..


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: Bhairabas]
    #2167158 - 12/07/03 07:35 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

I think that everyone should be glad that ignorant people like you are NOT in charge.


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Re: More WMDs found [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2167218 - 12/07/03 08:04 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Or like you for that matter.. Reality is your the ones sitting at the back of the bus these day's.. How Ironic..


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