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People who think alcohol is safer than heroin.
    #21583275 - 04/23/15 07:23 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

They come in all shapes and sizes but the ignorance is always the same...


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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Shiithead] * 6
    #21583278 - 04/23/15 07:24 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

It is. How long have you been doing heroin?

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21583286 - 04/23/15 07:27 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

I know far far far more people that have died from heroin than alcohol. And that includes drunk car crashes. So yeah alcohol is safer but not by a whole lot.

Both are bad.


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And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21583290 - 04/23/15 07:30 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

I have actually never used it because I would probably never stop x) but I used to be into pills. The urge was pulling me back and I thought I'd discuss the feeling with a roommate and he was heavily offended.

But yea I haven't used it but still know my chemistry, if used responsibly and you stop abruptly after lets say 10 years of use, you will not die like you would if you used alcohol in the same manner. Alcohol withdraw will kill you. If this isn't enough evidence to support the claim, idk what is...


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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Hebrews 11:3
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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Shiithead]
    #21583291 - 04/23/15 07:30 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

Heroin is more fun than alcohol. The problem with heroin is there is know way to know what you are getting. You don't know what it's been cut with or how strong it is.

That and some places don't have needle exchange programs so you have the increase chances of some awful stuff.  Maybe if heroin was regulated like alcohol.  The addiction factors of both heroin and alcohol abuse both can be deadly

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #21583292 - 04/23/15 07:30 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

Most people can use alcohol casually and get away with it. Most people used over 1000 doses of alcohol and are not addicted.

Almost everyone who used over 1000 doses of heroin is addicted.

Alcoholism and heroin addiction ruin lives, but with equal availability heroin would be more addictive.

You can't feel THAT good THAT consistently often without paying dearly.


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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: fee]
    #21583301 - 04/23/15 07:35 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

fee said:
I know far far far more people that have died from heroin than alcohol. And that includes drunk car crashes. So yeah alcohol is safer but not by a whole lot.

Both are bad.




Well I know a heroin addict who used for 23 years and speed-balled 23 times a day and has nothing to show for it but collapsed veins. Someone using alcohol that much that long will have serious health problems at that time..


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Asante]
    #21583303 - 04/23/15 07:35 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Most people can use alcohol casually and get away with it. Most people used over 1000 doses of alcohol and are not addicted.

Almost everyone who used over 1000 doses of heroin is addicted.

Alcoholism and heroin addiction ruin lives, but with equal availability heroin would be more addictive.

You can't feel THAT good THAT consistently often without paying dearly.




Addiction is a lie.


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Shiithead] * 5
    #21583306 - 04/23/15 07:36 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

Shiithead said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Most people can use alcohol casually and get away with it. Most people used over 1000 doses of alcohol and are not addicted.

Almost everyone who used over 1000 doses of heroin is addicted.

Alcoholism and heroin addiction ruin lives, but with equal availability heroin would be more addictive.

You can't feel THAT good THAT consistently often without paying dearly.




Addiction is a lie.



LOOOOOL ok junior


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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Sheekle]
    #21583308 - 04/23/15 07:37 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

oh yeah i forgot OP is almond flour's twin i cant believe i fell for this thread


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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Sheekle]
    #21583309 - 04/23/15 07:37 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

Sheekle said:
Quote:

Shiithead said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Most people can use alcohol casually and get away with it. Most people used over 1000 doses of alcohol and are not addicted.

Almost everyone who used over 1000 doses of heroin is addicted.

Alcoholism and heroin addiction ruin lives, but with equal availability heroin would be more addictive.

You can't feel THAT good THAT consistently often without paying dearly.




Addiction is a lie.



LOOOOOL ok junior




Give me a scientific observation via labwork that shows addiction...


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Shiithead] * 6
    #21583311 - 04/23/15 07:38 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

Shiithead said:

Addiction is a lie.





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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Shiithead]
    #21583315 - 04/23/15 07:40 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

In some senses heroin is safer, but so what? People die from both on a regular basis.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Shiithead]
    #21583320 - 04/23/15 07:41 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

Shiithead said:
Quote:

Sheekle said:
Quote:

Shiithead said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Most people can use alcohol casually and get away with it. Most people used over 1000 doses of alcohol and are not addicted.

Almost everyone who used over 1000 doses of heroin is addicted.

Alcoholism and heroin addiction ruin lives, but with equal availability heroin would be more addictive.

You can't feel THAT good THAT consistently often without paying dearly.




Addiction is a lie.



LOOOOOL ok junior




Give me a scientific observation via labwork that shows addiction...





http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/


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btw you're a total fucking psychedelic pimp
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I want to become a sun worshipper, so next time an atheist smugly asks me where god is, I can point smugly at the sun and laugh my ass off.

Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

Religion is fun.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Shiithead]
    #21583323 - 04/23/15 07:42 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

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Shiithead said:
Quote:

fee said:
I know far far far more people that have died from heroin than alcohol. And that includes drunk car crashes. So yeah alcohol is safer but not by a whole lot.

Both are bad.




Well I know a heroin addict who used for 23 years and speed-balled 23 times a day and has nothing to show for it but collapsed veins. Someone using alcohol that much that long will have serious health problems at that time..






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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: psi]
    #21583329 - 04/23/15 07:44 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

Its not safer because people are redic. You cant go around saying its safer when clearly its not. A stuper ton ofthat use it people get high a bunch cant stop getting high then get sick and fold under it and eventually either die or ruin their life. Way more than alcohol.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Shiithead]
    #21583336 - 04/23/15 07:47 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

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Shiithead said:
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fee said:
I know far far far more people that have died from heroin than alcohol. And that includes drunk car crashes. So yeah alcohol is safer but not by a whole lot.

Both are bad.




Well I know a heroin addict who used for 23 years and speed-balled 23 times a day and has nothing to show for it but collapsed veins. Someone using alcohol that much that long will have serious health problems at that time..



Thats one guy. You no how many of him died? Like prob a thousand or somthing. But yeh i'd be willing to bet he dies of a heart attack. Idoubt theres much left in him anyway.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #21583348 - 04/23/15 07:53 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

Alcohol does far more damage to your body. when you compare ingesting pure alcohol to pure heroin the alcohol is way worse for you.

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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: Connoisseur]
    #21583373 - 04/23/15 08:02 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

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Alcohol does far more damage to your body. when you compare ingesting pure alcohol to pure heroin the alcohol is way worse for you.



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Re: People who think alcohol is safer than heroin. [Re: fee] * 3
    #21583437 - 04/23/15 08:07 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

This argument sounds straight out of the mouth of someone that is still fairly naive towards opiates.  In fact the whole safer than alcohol thing is quite silly in regards to any drug.  It tends to be something said by people who have just recently accepted that the propaganda is overblown, but have yet to also see the real downsides to a substance.

Sure heroin may be not directly toxic to the body in the same way that alcohol can be, but that is far from the only factor involved.  Even in a legal environment heroin might be much easier to OD on heroin that alcohol.  Many people drink alcohol without being drawn into a downward spiral.  With powerful opiates it is extremely difficult to use without eventually becoming addicted.  If heroin were legal it would be more like smoking than booze with a significant portion of the population probably ending up addicted.  And we could go on and on listing scenarios where heroin could be more harmful than alcohol.

Not that I think that opiates and heroin are inherently evil.  I myself use them and even have used heroin in the past.  These drugs are what they are and come with their own set of risks and concerns. However trying to make a blanket statement that this drug is safer than that drug seems absurd and again, quite a naive argument.

It is a shame that people so vehemently believe that certain drugs are unquestionably evil and that anyone involved with them should be severely punished.  Maybe we should be arguing for more accurate portrayal of these drugs and their users.  Maybe we should be arguing for more appropriate laws and responses to drug use.

In fact many users of opiates are decent people and not deserving of the stigma.  Many users are in some sort of pain, be it physical, emotional, or spiritual.  Many are perhaps just people that care too much or feel too deeply.  Few opiate users really deserve or need a severe and harsh societal reaction to their use, and often that only increases the pain a user need to escape from.

Those can be good things to try to explain I think.  Far better to show the human side of our laws and drug propaganda that to try to make a hard and easily argued statement about heroin being safer than alcohol.


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