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peres falling over
    #21581413 - 04/22/15 06:30 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

Anybody have an idea what's going on here?




Background - I got a few peres in a trade and rooted them. They started throwing new growth and this guy was one of those new growths. I cut him off and planted it in this pot like a month ago it seems. It is definately rooted and has nearly doubled it's height since I cut it and put it in this pot. Now, over the weekend (I was gone for the weekend) it has gone limp and fallen over. Kinda like I would expect a thirsty plant would do... I watered it before I left and the soil in the pot is still not yet dry so I suppose it is not lack of water. What is going on? Do I need to inspect the roots or something? I'm new to peres but was under the impression there was nothing to them...

I'm glad I didn't try for my first ever graft BEFORE I left for the weekend like I was going to... I was gonna use this particular plant for my first graft. I would've been sad to come back and find this.
BTW, no other conditions changed for this guy from the parent's conditions. This guys parent is about a foot away and under the same lights and humidity (ambient room humidity, nothing special) and are doing just fine.

What gives?


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Re: peres falling over [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21581484 - 04/22/15 06:50 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

Repot it deeper,or add some more soil in the pot to stabilize it.
It is fine:thumbup:

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Re: peres falling over [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21581493 - 04/22/15 06:52 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

Ya think? I mean, it's not just 'leaning' over, this thing is limp as a cooked spaghetti noodle after being straight an tall for a couple weeks after rooting...


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Re: peres falling over [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21581527 - 04/22/15 06:58 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

how cold has it been getting?

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Re: peres falling over [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21581529 - 04/22/15 06:59 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

too much rain?

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Re: peres falling over [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21581679 - 04/22/15 07:28 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

Doubt it is rain, it's indoors under lights. Temps stay fairly constant also because it is indoors, but nighttime lows maybe go to mid 60s? The confusing part to me is that that it was so sudden after doing so well for so long (couple weeks).

Like I said, I watered it before I left for the weekend and even now the soil is still lightly damp if I poke my finger down in the soil, so maybe it is just too wet...?


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Re: peres falling over [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21581710 - 04/22/15 07:35 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

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cowsRmeat said:
Doubt it is rain, it's indoors under lights. Temps stay fairly constant also because it is indoors, but nighttime lows maybe go to mid 60s? The confusing part to me is that that it was so sudden after doing so well for so long (couple weeks).

Like I said, I watered it before I left for the weekend and even now the soil is still lightly damp if I poke my finger down in the soil, so maybe it is just too wet...?




I take that back.
I can't say too much rain because mine are still drenched from all the severe storms we've had and are just fine.
I don't know then:shrug:

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Re: peres falling over [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21582500 - 04/22/15 11:17 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

I've had em do that and it was pretty inexplicable, maybe overwatering or too cold of temps, possibly overfeeding or some kind of pest in the soil, it only has happened in the winter when they're indoors under the lights for me.  You could stake it up and see if it hardens back up or cut off the top and replant it to see if it stays up more straight.  Sometimes pereskiopsis just seem to topple over under their own weight, usually they will just root where they fall and start growing upward again if left alone.


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Re: peres falling over [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #21583298 - 04/23/15 07:33 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

Yeah it just looks like it got too top heavy to stand up anymore. It looks healthy.

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Re: peres falling over [Re: 1234go]
    #21583333 - 04/23/15 07:46 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

It looks a bit spindly, doesn't it? And the leaves are a bit spaced apart. I would suggest not enough light or too much N fertilization.
As for limpness, don't forget that it's not exactly lack of water that can cause dehydration, it is the inability of the plant to uptake it. A plant in soggy soil without roots will dehydrate as surely as one with no water.


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Re: peres falling over [Re: LSoares]
    #21583367 - 04/23/15 08:00 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

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It looks a bit spindly, doesn't it? And the leaves are a bit spaced apart.




Yeah, good call.
I just kinda glanced and jumped to the usual conclusion of top heaviness. :thumbup:

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Re: peres falling over [Re: 1234go]
    #21583375 - 04/23/15 08:02 AM (9 years, 27 days ago)

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LSoares said:
It looks a bit spindly, doesn't it? And the leaves are a bit spaced apart.




Yeah, good call.
I just kinda glanced and jumped to the usual conclusion of top heaviness. :thumbup:




I was gonna ask if it had anything grafted to it. My loph graft is fallen over but due to weiggt. Those fat fucks. :lol:


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Re: peres falling over [Re: LSoares]
    #21587501 - 04/23/15 07:21 PM (9 years, 27 days ago)

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1234go said:
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LSoares said:
It looks a bit spindly, doesn't it? And the leaves are a bit spaced apart.




Yeah, good call.
I just kinda glanced and jumped to the usual conclusion of top heaviness. :thumbup:




I was gonna ask if it had anything grafted to it. My loph graft is fallen over but due to weiggt. Those fat fucks. :lol:




Thankfully, no. Nothing grafted to it yet. I was going to use this particular plant to try out my first ever graft and then it fell over...



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LSoares said:
It looks a bit spindly, doesn't it? And the leaves are a bit spaced apart. I would suggest not enough light or too much N fertilization.
As for limpness, don't forget that it's not exactly lack of water that can cause dehydration, it is the inability of the plant to uptake it. A plant in soggy soil without roots will dehydrate as surely as one with no water.




Well, now that you mention too much N, I did use a light dose of MG ferts on it during it's last watering. That was the first time I have ever used ferts on my peres since I got them somewhere around a month or month and a half ago. Maybe that has something to do with it?
Also, on the topic of it dehydrating due to being to wet or dry- I doubt it is too dry because it still has damp soil. Maybe it was too wet, but it is definitely rooted, I can see a couple roots in the bottom of the pot at the holes.

I guess between what everyone has told me, maybe I am looking at a combination of excess ferts/insufficient light to grow a strong stalk?

The cutting appears that it isn't dead/dying like I originally thought, the growth tip has finally started to turn back up toward the light...

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Re: peres falling over [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21588285 - 04/23/15 10:07 PM (9 years, 27 days ago)

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I guess between what everyone has told me, maybe I am looking at a combination of excess ferts/insufficient light to grow a strong stalk?




I would guess that's it.  My pereskiopsis get pretty shitty looking this time of year, til it warms up enough to put them outside and give them some real sunshine.


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Re: peres falling over [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #21592610 - 04/24/15 09:31 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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I guess between what everyone has told me, maybe I am looking at a combination of excess ferts/insufficient light to grow a strong stalk?




I would guess that's it.  My pereskiopsis get pretty shitty looking this time of year, til it warms up enough to put them outside and give them some real sunshine.





Is that what most of you guys do? Put em outside for the summer? Also, can I assume that grafted cacti stay inside or do they go outside too? (After healing up, I mean)




Also, I came back from being out and about today and found the peres in question to have stood itself back upright... Looks like it never fell down now... Strange :shrug:


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Re: peres falling over [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21593156 - 04/24/15 11:20 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

I find they grow like weeds outside in summer, really thick and tall, much more so than under lights.  Healthy outdoor pereskiopsis make infinitely better grafting stock than the spindly shit I have to settle for during winter.  I put grafts outside too, but you might want to keep them in some kind of greenhouse/hoophouse or mesh box to keep away the varmints.  Occasionally a blue jay will decide that a plump astrophytum graft looks like a ripe apple or something and decide to peck a giant gash in it or otherwise disfigure your collection.  Sun is good and all but you have to beware that outdoors has a lot more pests and nefarious bastards that will mutilate your plants just for shits and giggles (I'm looking at you jays and squirrels:oldman2:).  Otherwise, yeah, there is no substitute for good old summer sun.


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Re: peres falling over [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #21603487 - 04/27/15 11:03 AM (9 years, 23 days ago)

Well cool, all my peres are going outside today then. Thanks for that. I have nothing grafted yet, so if they get nicked or bumped by something, it won't be the end of the world, but having outdoor plants to defend just further gives me reason to shoot every squirrel I see in my yard. They make for good stew :thumbup:

Thanks everybody for your input. Like I mentioned, the plant stood itself back up and then two days later, fell over the other direction. Now it is trying to stand back up again. I guess it just is too skinny to hold it's own head up. Maybe some nice outside time will strengthen em up.


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