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What is the single best method for injection?
#21581271 - 04/22/15 05:58 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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In your professional amateur opinion, what is the best way to get them down? So far, these are the methods I have tried.
Eat em' straight ( 9/10, full effects with the only problem being the come up ) Lemon tek ( 8/10, stronger but ends quicker and how in the world do people take that taste ) Tea ( 8/10, my only complaint is you don't peak as harder and it doesn't last as longer + afterglow isn't the same capsules ( 5/10, takes forever to come on, plus grinding them up and storing them in there seems to obliterate potency )
what do you think?
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: cube talk]
#21581278 - 04/22/15 06:00 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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ingestion* I like eating them straight
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: sirdabz710] 1
#21581286 - 04/22/15 06:02 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Grinding them up and eating spoonfuls mixed with yogurt.
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: sirdabz710]
#21581295 - 04/22/15 06:03 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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capsules.
I don't store them in capsules...I powder them and put them in capsules the same day I trip.
I never noticed a difference in potency. I cant imagine powdering them will make you lose more actives than say tea or something
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21581303 - 04/22/15 06:05 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Powdered, mix with juice, knock back.
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21581345 - 04/22/15 06:15 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
Bill_Oreilly said: capsules.
I don't store them in capsules...I powder them and put them in capsules the same day I trip.
I never noticed a difference in potency. I cant imagine powdering them will make you lose more actives than say tea or something 
it's kind of the same thing, when you grind them up and cut them up for the tea you're exposing every millimeter of the shroom to oxygen
i forgot to put that in the original post as well
that's my other gripe, when you cut up fresh ones for tea you're exposing it to oxygen so I try and do it as incredibly fast as I can.
I imagine not storing them in the capsules probably is the way to go. I haven't tried that yet, might be worth trying
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: cube talk]
#21581348 - 04/22/15 06:17 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Chew them up and chase with hot chocolate.
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: DigitalTorture]
#21581365 - 04/22/15 06:20 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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LemonTek. I love the intense come up and actually prefer the shorter duration. As for the taste? I let the powdered cubes sit in the juice for about 15-20 minutes then add a bunch of orange juice to them. I make it about a full glass then chug it down while holding my nose closed if need be. I barely taste anything and chugging down up to 20g has been no problem at all.
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: fractaloctopus]
#21581470 - 04/22/15 06:45 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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I like a slow come up. I used to dice fresh mushrooms and swallow the pieces like pills.
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: cube talk]
#21581479 - 04/22/15 06:47 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Lemon tek tea
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: HyperboreanDream]
#21581813 - 04/22/15 08:05 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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HyperboreanDream said: Powdered, mix with juice, knock back.
That's what I do.
I didn't like the Lemon Tek because of the shorter duration...
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: cowsRmeat]
#21581841 - 04/22/15 08:16 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Soak them in some good liquor, filter out the mushroom matter, then take a shot. 100g dried in a 750ml bottle of liquor equals 4g per shot (25 shots per bottle, 30ml per shot). Its best to soak about 25g at a time, filter them out, then put another 25g in. You can always scale to suit your needs.
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: Vendoskt]
#21586082 - 04/23/15 02:05 PM (9 years, 27 days ago) |
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Quote:
Vendoskt said: Soak them in some good liquor, filter out the mushroom matter, then take a shot. 100g dried in a 750ml bottle of liquor equals 4g per shot (25 shots per bottle, 30ml per shot). Its best to soak about 25g at a time, filter them out, then put another 25g in. You can always scale to suit your needs.
wait wut, ive never heard this before
can you or someone go into detail on how to do this? Filter out mushroom matter? You mean with fresh shrooms? How long do I let it soak? Does that reduce potency if I store it like this?
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: cube talk]
#21586301 - 04/23/15 03:01 PM (9 years, 27 days ago) |
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I have been lemon tekking fresh shrooms as my go-to for a long time but recently ive been doing a lot of alcohol extractions that work even better
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I think alcohol extracts are the way to go. Here are a couple of links about them
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5489469/an/0/page/0
http://www.shroomery.org/6274/Mushroom-Extract
http://www.fanaticus.com/mycoalki.htm
These links are more so for making a tincture. The last link is the famous “crystals of the gods” link. Getting 'crystals' is total bs, but making an extract with alcohol is for real. Roger Rabbit confirms this in the 4th post of the 1st link.
I do like the tincture, but I find the evaporation process tedious. Also, I find controlling the dosage and storage of such a small amount of liquid cumbersome.
When making a tincture, you use 190 proof everclear, then evaporate the liquid away. If you are going to do this, then 190 proof alcohol is essential due to the low water concentration. Alcohol evaporates faster than water, so as you evaporate the liquid away, the alcohol concentration will decrease and the water concentration will increase. My guess is that most tinctures are 50/50 alcohol-water by the time you reduce that much everclear down to such a small amount of liquid (just a guess). Water is your enemy, it will oxidize the psilocybin. That's why you can't make tea and drink it a week later; it'll be no good because everything oxidized. For whatever reason, the alcohol seems to do an excellent job preserving the psilocybin.
What I do is very similar to making a tincture. I just don't bother with reducing the volume of liquid. Go out and get some top shelf liquor. My all time favorite is Jack Daniels Single Barrel. This is about 94 proof, so it's about 50/50 alcohol-water to begin with. It's a bit pricy but worth it. Really any liquor you like will work. Water is one of the best substances for extracting psilocybin/psilocin (as we all know from tea), and the alcohol preserves the extract, so starting with a 50/50 ratio is ideal. Higher proof is probably better if you are willing to take a shot of that. While you can't buy 190 proof liquor in some states, 151 proof can be purchased in all 50 states.
Use fully dried mushrooms. You don't want to add any more water to the liquor by using fresh. (You could use everclear then add fresh mushroom, I've never tried it but I'm sure it would work, perhaps even better since there is no potency loss in the drying process). Take a shot out of the bottle to make room for the mushrooms. Grind the mushrooms in a coffee grinder, then put them in the bottle. For a 750ml bottle of liquor, I suggest adding about 25 grams of dried mushrooms at a time. Any more will hinder the extraction process because there will be too much mushrooms for the amount of liquid available to do the extract.
Let the bottle sit for about a week or more, shaking it a few times a day. Use a coffee filter and a funnel to filter out the mushroom matter. Dump the extract through the coffee filter into some other container. Throw away the used mushroom matter, it is no good anymore because all the potency is in the liquid. Return the liquid to the original bottle by putting it through another coffee filter. At this point you'll have the equivalent of 25 grams of dried mushrooms in your bottle of liquor, that's 1 gram per shot. If you want it to be stronger, add another 25 grams and repeat the process. You can do this as many times as you want, but stopping at 4 iterations, which is 4 grams per shot, is more than enough.
I haven't noticed much if any potency loss as compared to eating them. The come up is very clean without any nausea. Duration seems to be similar to eating them, maybe a little shorter. Store it in containers that have little air in them. The air will degrade the product. Get little jars that are 2-4 fluid ounces each, and separate the full bottle into these jars. You can store them at room temperature out of the light without potency loss for the short term (months). If you want longer term storage, put it in the freezer.
Enjoy
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Re: What is the single best method for injection? [Re: Vendoskt]
#21588904 - 04/24/15 02:52 AM (9 years, 27 days ago) |
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Thanks a lot for that post, I'll be doing this
standby for any questions ( dont literally standby xD )
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