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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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OfflineMarkostheGnostic
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Re: Can we all agree that there is ONE TRUTH? [Re: tedias]
    #21570758 - 04/20/15 07:35 AM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Descartes identified being with intellect. Being is prior to intellect, and for those of us who have been working on thoughtless awareness in contemplation, this is born out to be so. The neonate does not think either, although its awareness is filled with sensory input and primitive emotions, yet the neonate exists. More to the point would be something like, "I AM, therefore I AM."


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Re: Can we all agree that there is ONE TRUTH? [Re: Droz]
    #21570901 - 04/20/15 08:56 AM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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Droz said:
Can we agree on this idea?

Let's not discuss what it is... because everyone thinks differently, some have faith in the truth their religion tells them, some come to realize on their own what their personal truth is.

I believe there is a truth.

I'm not saying I know what it is... i'm just saying there is one.

Do you agree or disagree?

-Droz





I agree that we all feel there could be a truth, but that's as far as I get.

I don't think truth can be found, and if it can can it be handled?
So what's the point, believe what you want.

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Re: Can we all agree that there is ONE TRUTH? [Re: DieCommie]
    #21571050 - 04/20/15 09:47 AM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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DieCommie said:
I'm not even convinced the concept of "truth" is necessary or even useful.





I think I agree with this skepticism.  I believe there is such a thing as truth, or rather that its a useful concept, but that actually identifying it in exclusion isn't necessary or useful. 

I think if two ideas produce the same utility they are both equally useful- doesn't matter if one is true and one isn't. Unobservable differences are likely of no importance.

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Re: Can we all agree that there is ONE TRUTH? [Re: johnm214]
    #21571913 - 04/20/15 02:00 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Truth is subjective. all i know about truth is nothing. what is truth anyway? Maybe a better way of saying it is lucid.

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Re: Can we all agree that there is ONE TRUTH? [Re: Spliffy]
    #21571935 - 04/20/15 02:05 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

I think logically truth would be the only objective thing, actually. 
Of course being subjective beings we could never truly perceive objectivity, and thus we will never know truth.
The perfect carrot on the perfect stick.

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Re: Can we all agree that there is ONE TRUTH? [Re: Tropism]
    #21571951 - 04/20/15 02:08 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Perception is reality....reality is truth ..


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Re: Can we all agree that there is ONE TRUTH? [Re: shroomster87]
    #21571960 - 04/20/15 02:10 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Reality is truth? Prove it.
How does one even know this isn't a simulation?

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Re: Can we all agree that there is ONE TRUTH? [Re: Tropism]
    #21572019 - 04/20/15 02:23 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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Tropism said:
I think logically truth would be the only objective thing, actually. 
Of course being subjective beings we could never truly perceive objectivity, and thus we will never know truth.
The perfect carrot on the perfect stick.




do you think temporary ego death could possibly show us the  truth?

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Re: Can we all agree that there is ONE TRUTH? [Re: Spliffy]
    #21572060 - 04/20/15 02:34 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Well, on the level of theoretical truth we are discussing, no. But hey I'm speculating entirely.
I just feel we are a fraction trying to grasp the whole, a whole which may be entirely incomprehensible (if existent) to our perceiving minds ego-less or otherwise.

Alternatively I feel ego-death may show other truths to our temporary existence, but usually are not easily accepted.
For instance many people are wholly invested in their egos/personas and the belief that they are eternal, and the illumination of the ego and what lies in the absence isn't very reassuring for those ideas.

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