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Buddha said, Truth is the most important thing
    #21569827 - 04/19/15 09:33 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

I'm not a Buddhist, or Chirstian, or Hindu, or any religion, but I've studied them almost all my life, and there are a few teachings that have always stayed with me, that have kept me from all harm. . . there are a few from each of these, and others, that are so kind, so beneficient, so wise, as to almost call them divine teachings.  I will just share a few. . beginning with Buddha:

Buddha said truth is the most important thing-

Buddha said, of all the sins, stealing, doing harm, etc., the most important one to avoid is untruthfulness, or deceiving - the reason for this, was that it is opens the door to all others.

This is in a scripture, worth looking up if you like - it's very interesting. . very helpful I always thought.

Another one probably helped me even more; he said,

"Protect your desire for the well being of others, as you would protect a new-born babe."

This one has been a helpful guide in my life. . .  and the third I had in mind to share,


"The Dharma is beautiful in the beginning, beautiful in the middle, and beautiful in the end."

This one is just to show that life is beautiful (see Hanh's teachings for much more on this). . . when we begin the path, it's beautiful, and all the way through and at the end. . . I always found this very lovely.

From Christ -- growing up in a Presbyterian home, was very nice. . my roots are in this tradition. . Several that have been wonderful, basically divine teachings, and helped guide. . .

Especially, perhaps above all others, is the one, "What ever you do to the least of these, you do to me,"

This has been, like the Buddha's especially a guide to me. . . very similar to the one about protecting our desire for the well-being of others, as we would cherish and protect a new-born babe. . . It is a great teaching of compassion and empathy. . . and again, it has protected me from harm, throughout my life. .

The second -- of course there are many -- but the other I would say is, "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you; do not be deceived." 

The second part of this -- do not be deceived, again speaks to the value of truth, and the error of deception (but not quite as strongly as Buddha's -- although of course Christ mentioned elsewhere the value of truth, and pure compassion, many places. . . I would be sure a greater Christian mystic could share some beautiful teachings of Christ -- and I will go through them as well, to learn more.

This teaching -- of empathy and compassion -- and equality, is so central to spiritual life for me. .

Jetsun Mila, the saint-poet, expressed it quite simply,

'Long accustomed to meditating on love and compassion,
I have lost all distinction between myself and others.'

And the classic Zen tradition is that when we others as ourself, then we are naturally compassionate; we don't think, oh, do I help?  We simply and immediately give aid, the same as we would automatically bandage our arm if we got it cut.  No time taken to debate on the merits of help, we simply bandage the wound.

Two others I would share -- from Hindu tradition, the saint Amma,

‘Instead of “I love you,” it would be better to say “I am love-I am the embodiment of Pure Love.” Remove the I and you, and you will find that there is only Love.'

'We should serve others without any expectations whatsoever. When others throw thorns at us, we should be able to throw flowers back at them.'

These are lovely and beautiful in my heart, and also embody the same teachings of pure love, compassion and empathy -- strength, kindness and healing that comes from understanding how valuable life is.

http://ammaquotes.com/service/

In the words of Thomas Merton,

'To say that I am made in the image of God is to say that Love is the reason for my existence, for God is Love. Love is my true identity. Selflessness is my true self. Love is my true character. Love is my name.'

https://livinginthemonasterywithoutwallsdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/01/17/love-is-the-reason-for-my-existence-thomas-merton/

(a nice blog and journal with some info about T.M.)

The idea that we are love is a very interesting one -- our true nature is love.  Vivekananda said, truth is the nature of souls. . The Buddhist conception is that our true nature is Buddha-nature, what is that?  Described well in the Heart Sutra and the Avatamsaka sutra, and others. . . Simply, we are the clouds and the mountain, the earth and the sky and the universe. . . Buddha-nature is boundlessness.

Hindu conception is that our true nature is SacCidAnanda, or being-consciousness-bliss; this is another word, another culture, but it is the same as Christian understanding -- our true nature is love.

SacCidAnanda and Buddha-nature aren't different, they're one and the same.  Since I was a kid I knew that we were light - the Sun is our source, and we are the same nature as the source. . . This always made sense and seemed important to me.  If we are light - then there is no need for sorrow -- and if we are light, then oughtn't we do something to learn to experience it?  To see this world as different, more beautiful, and brighter than it has been seen before?

Light=Buddha-nature=SacCidAnanda=Love. 

Love doesn't try to control others - doesn't try to persuade, or create others into a fixed image - it simply reaffirms the truth others know about themselves; searches for and reaffirms the strength they know in themselves.

These are the quickest ways out of the past, in my view, and it's useful to know how to discern genuine teachers, from false ones.  Just a few I would mention as genuine, basically divine, teachers, are Sri Ramakrishna, Jesus Christ, Jetsun Mila (Milarepa), Sam Lewis, Amma, Thomas Merton, Thich Nhat Hanh,

And of course, these are just a few of hundreds of genuine messengers, teachers; not just in spiritual traditions but also in music, you have many beautiful souls who helped share love, peace, and truth -- Jimi Hendrix, Peter Tosh and George Harrison, just to mention a few. 

And going back to the lineage of (valid) spiritual teachers, I would mention Hanh again as a great teacher of love. .

For instance

“It is possible to live twenty-four hours a day in a state of love. Every movement, every glance, every thought, and every word can be infused with love.”

Hanh is the leader of the Rinzai school of Zen, and he also lived through the Vietnam war; he was also very good friends with Thomas Merton and they worked together on many inter-faith projects and understanding.

50 good Hanh quotes

or the website of the monastery whereh he resides, http://plumvillage.org

also a nice interview with Ram Dass. Hanh and Ram Dass


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Re: Buddha said, Truth is the most important thing [Re: once in a lifetime] * 1
    #21570103 - 04/19/15 11:00 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Hey man.
:heart:

:feelsgoodman:

:nyan: :nyan: :nyan:

:musicnote::musicnote::musicnote::musicnote::musicnote::musicnote:

:musicnote::musicnote::musicnote::musicnote::musicnote::musicnote:

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Reading your post filled me with joy.

Thank you.


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Re: Buddha said, Truth is the most important thing [Re: once in a lifetime] * 1
    #21570184 - 04/19/15 11:31 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Protect your desires sound like that it is saying to prevent anyone from taking away what is in the heart, and in the Bible it says what is in our hearts is sinful lust, greed, and all other sort of unclean thoughts; and it also says what is in the heart that comes out makes us become defile, it is because what's in our heart isn't clean; but basically we can look around the world, the condition it is in shows what's in our heart, what it is full of. And so we has to be careful of what doctrines we follow, by choosing the one that has the whole truth, not half of it. You can tell what doctrines are phony and the ones that are not, by what is written in them. Most doctrine that is made up by men, it is written to please them, but in the Bible, in it, it is nothing that we want to here, like to love your enemies and so on. Like if I was a drunkard, I will conjure up a doctrine or twist it into what I want to here; like for an instance, drink and be merry, that will sound good for a drunkard, but not to the ones that cares about their life. But in the Bible does says to love one another and even it included our enemies as well, and which that does make sense if we want to live in harmony; and when someone that cause you harm has some sort of mental issue in order for that person to have had acted unorderly with you, but we doesn't see it in that way, it is because we all has issues as well. God tell us to do these things, it is because we are limited, we only can see so far; we cannot see why this person our enemy acts in this manner towards us, and or what we had done to offend them, but God can see all things and everything ever since the beginning, and that is why that it says to put our trust in Him, it is because that He is all knowing, perfect, without any defects.

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Re: Buddha said, Truth is the most important thing [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #21570878 - 04/20/15 08:42 AM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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lifeiswhatyoumake said:
Hey man.
:heart:

:feelsgoodman:

:nyan: :nyan: :nyan:

:musicnote::musicnote::musicnote::musicnote::musicnote::musicnote:

:musicnote::musicnote::musicnote::musicnote::musicnote::musicnote:

:nodofunderstanding:




Reading your post filled me with joy.

Thank you.


I am Antiochian Orthodox Christian.  Jesus started the Orthodox Church and the tradition hasn't changed in 2,000 years.








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Hey Life,

Thank you so much! :-)

The value of Joy is pretty much Infinite... We shine one light -- it passes from one to another to another. 

As Amma said, "don't worry about trying to dispel the entire darkness, just light your little candle and step forward."

I'm so glad I could bring some joy to your life, and you brought a smile into mine -- thank you very much and I hope you have a wonderful, joyful, beautiful day, my good friend.

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Re: Buddha said, Truth is the most important thing [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21571020 - 04/20/15 09:42 AM (9 years, 30 days ago)

What if that desire to help others was ripped out of your clawing hands?


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Re: Buddha said, Truth is the most important thing [Re: Icyus] * 1
    #21571085 - 04/20/15 09:55 AM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Truth is very important and honorable.

But there are circumstances where deceiving, untruthfulness can be used for a good purpose. Sometimes certain people shouldn't know certain things at a certain time.

I am very truthful, only on rare, and specific occasions do I see it valuable and right to use deceptive ways, hide the truth.


However, most circumstances where people lie, hide the truth are wrong, and not right.
For example:
1: Governments covering up ufo, alien, info
2: Governments being not transparent
3: Governments saying one thing and then doing the opposite
4: Governments and Special Groups hiding advanced technology
Etc etc etc

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Re: Buddha said, Truth is the most important thing [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21571391 - 04/20/15 11:57 AM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Are any words truth?


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Re: Buddha said, Truth is the most important thing [Re: Chronic7]
    #21571481 - 04/20/15 12:20 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Icyus, then I believe it's best to re-awaken it. . taking care of ourselves, loving ourselves is the basis for loving others; 

Quote:

Truth is very important and honorable.

But there are circumstances where deceiving, untruthfulness can be used for a good purpose. Sometimes certain people shouldn't know certain things at a certain time.

I am very truthful, only on rare, and specific occasions do I see it valuable and right to use deceptive ways, hide the truth.


However, most circumstances where people lie, hide the truth are wrong, and not right.
For example:
1: Governments covering up ufo, alien, info
2: Governments being not transparent
3: Governments saying one thing and then doing the opposite
4: Governments and Special Groups hiding advanced technology
Etc etc etc




MagickMuffin - I agree with you.. I would say in games etc., but the best of those generally don't use tactics and manipulation when it comes to their relationships. . they reserve the tactics for the game-board. . . Then also, there is the point that, it doesn't have to be nasty -- in other words, to be friendly and genuine -- that's the basis -- especially because when you are so, then people will enjoy playing with you, etc., etc.

As far as real life goes, it again comes back to truth -- and I would say a big issue here is also; not living to manipulate others.


Chronic -- the world is made up of words. . . one word can start a war, for instance.

Words can be healing, or destructive.  A large part depends on if they are true. . .

As Buddha said, truthfulness is the most important thing -- he believed, if you start out from a basis of trying to deceive others, then that will lead to all other sins. . . I found this to be very interesting, and I would say it's valid.

One interesting thing is what Nietzsche said - the value of someone's word is only as much as they are able to carry it out. . . In other words, if I promise to you I will never try to steal from you - etc., then if I truly have overcome that sort of behavior completely; my word is good, if not, then it's not. 

The promises of someone who is unable to carry them out is not so valuable. 

Yet if I say -- I will never shoot at you; I will never wish you harm, I will never think an unkind thought about you -- and I am really telling the truth; then that is quite valuable. 

I do make those vows pretty much every day, and I follow through on them as well.

As Hanh says, you can live 24 hours in a state of love -- and it's not very difficult, not if you give everything to attain what inner truth, strength, peace, joy and compassion you wish to attain.  Dogen once said, if you make the aspiration, angels and Buddhas will help you; it's very true.  Those who do get there, look for the strength in others and reaffirm it -- look for the truth that others say and reaffirm it; look for the light in others and reaffirm it.  Once you get to self-mastery and peace, you tend to affect the whole world in that positive way. 

Jaya and life.


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Re: Buddha said, Truth is the most important thing [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21571861 - 04/20/15 01:48 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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The Chronic said:
Are any words truth?




:thumbup: 

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Re: Buddha said, Truth is the most important thing [Re: PocketLady]
    #21572004 - 04/20/15 02:19 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

'If there was such a thing as a fence on which one side was found those not-Enlightened and on the other those Enlightened, then those on the not-Enlightened side, seeking to cross over, would be greatly assisted in the endeavor by assimulating into their being, as a second nature, the Four Noble Truths and Eightfold Noble Path. Once they crossed over the Four and Eight would no longer be needed nor exist. The same is true of everything. Throughout the centuries people have concocted various routes to pursue Enlightenment from the traditional to Zen, but the ultimate result, once experienced, is the same. Zen short circuits the route by endeavoring to bring forth the Enlightening experience outside the scriptures, which is a concrete, non-abstract cut-straight-to-the-bone lightning approach. The Zen way, however quick, instant or gradual, is based on the same Buddha insights before they became excessively over encumbered by scripture. A person seeking the Zen experience must somehow come to recognize the same insights as Siddhartha Gautama experienced when he Awakened to become the Buddha, which later inturn, gave birth to the scriptures. If Enlightenment doesn't come out of the blue, then laying the groundwork is the next best thing. Before his Enlightenment experience under the Bodhi Tree the Buddha tried many, many different things in his attempt to 'cross over.' After Awakening he could see what was to avail and what was to no avail. That is what he attempted to put into words for his followers. That is how the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Noble Path took root. An old saying goes: we are the results of what we were; we will be the results of what we are. A Pali text called The Anguttara says it best:

"It cannot come to pass that the fruit of a deed well-done by the body, speech, and thought should have for a result that which is unpleasant, hateful, or distasteful. But that it should be otherwise is quite possible."'

http://www.the-wanderling.com/BuddhaSaid.html

One of the beautiful ways Buddha's teaching is described simply is this:

Do good, don't do ill, and cultivate a good heart.

Or as the Dalai Lama said, 'it is enough to cultivate a good heart.'


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Re: Buddha said, Truth is the most important thing [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21572286 - 04/20/15 03:33 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Truthful doesn't feel like the correct word for me because I don't think truth can be found in the world. Honesty, on the other hand, is a better fit IMHO. But being honest with each other is only one aspect. If a person can be truly honest with themselves then they will naturally be honest with others. Being truly honest means recognising and being aware of all faults and attachments. I believe this is why Buddha said that deception leads to all other "sins". Deception, of self or otherwise, is a act of unconsciousness. IMHO unless a person has truly achieved God-realisation then they are very unlikely to be filled with love and peace all of the time. Enlightened people by definition are conscious all of the time. The rest of us, we still have work to do to reach Moksha. Acceptance and awareness of our impurities is the key to freedom.

Sometimes attachments are tricky things, they try and convince us they are not there. Like for instance, one attachment a lot of people have is caring about the way they are perceived by others. Thoughts create actions, so even a single unconscious thought of worry about what others think can lead to an action where a person becomes less authentic because they are afraid of other people's opinions. So this single unconscious thought could even lead to a person creating an entirely new alias for themselves...

"One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.” C.G Jung


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Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
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Re: Buddha said, Truth is the most important thing [Re: PocketLady]
    #21572309 - 04/20/15 03:42 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Buddha also said that there is no way to happiness, happiness is the way

what if the ultimate truth would destroy happiness?


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Re: Buddha said, Truth is the most important thing [Re: Observatory]
    #21572492 - 04/20/15 04:38 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

I mean in the general sense of being truthful with people.  He said if you are untruthful, that opens the doors to all other sins.

May I ask, PocketLady, are you aware what J.K. is associated with, and what they believe about humanity?


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    #21573946 - 04/20/15 11:23 PM (9 years, 29 days ago)

oh, alright then:pipesmoke:


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    #21574101 - 04/21/15 12:42 AM (9 years, 29 days ago)

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once in a lifetime said:


May I ask, PocketLady, are you aware what J.K. is associated with, and what they believe about humanity?




I'm not quite sure what you are referring to, his association with Theosophy? Or just his spiritual teachings in general? Although I'm not quite sure what that's got to do with my post or the topic.


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The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir

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    #21574347 - 04/21/15 04:56 AM (9 years, 29 days ago)

wait a minute, does buddah really exist?


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