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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: When]
    #21564818 - 04/18/15 05:51 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

This was the first year we didn't just cut them back and move them inside as winter houseplants, I think that is what did it.

They have been getting too hot though lately, lots of yellowing and drying out leaves. I am weaning the heat down though and will move em out soon.

I bet you have been excited! I was so ecstatic to see flowers for once I never even thought about seed :lol:

This year should be good though, they will be massive after the summer and I will have the winter heating down better next year.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: When]
    #21565443 - 04/18/15 08:52 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

:strokebeard:You should name your strain or is that not how it works??Wonder if your leaves will be fat or narrow and is this how the Luna strain came to be....also I dont see what strain the mother was!!Some plants will seed if poorly taken care of too continue their existence.So if you have a healthy sally when she flowers she don't put to much into producing viable seeds just guessing.My plants do better when I neglect them.So I have been letting them get get bone dry to the point of death then a regular water then over water to the point of root rot they have showed more grow this way the big leaves curl up from over watering but the under shoots explode proving good clones.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: musiclover420]
    #21565480 - 04/18/15 09:05 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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This was the first year we didn't just cut them back and move them inside as winter houseplants, I think that is what did it.

They have been getting too hot though lately, lots of yellowing and drying out leaves. I am weaning the heat down though and will move em out soon.

I bet you have been excited! I was so ecstatic to see flowers for once I never even thought about seed :lol:

This year should be good though, they will be massive after the summer and I will have the winter heating down better next year.





Nice, I'm looking forward to seeing them mid summer!

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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: AquaticPuzzle]
    #21565597 - 04/18/15 09:44 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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:strokebeard:You should name your strain or is that not how it works??Wonder if your leaves will be fat or narrow and is this how the Luna strain came to be....also I dont see what strain the mother was!!Some plants will seed if poorly taken care of too continue their existence.So if you have a healthy sally when she flowers she don't put to much into producing viable seeds just guessing.My plants do better when I neglect them.So I have been letting them get get bone dry to the point of death then a regular water then over water to the point of root rot they have showed more grow this way the big leaves curl up from over watering but the under shoots explode proving good clones.





Well yes, I believe you're right. It's been over 3 weeks now so I guess it's time to reveal their names.
:sun:

From now on my babies will be referred to by name

Salvia Divinorum var. Sonya (left) and
Salvia Divinorum var. Sophia



Sonya, named after my love and Sophia, her European namesake meaning "wisdom"

:smile:

I'm not sure which strain the mother was, I'm leaning towards Wasson/Hofmann because of sketchy info I dug up on my mother clones background.
It will be interesting to see if they both exhibit the same characteristics with growth and appearance and activity levels, or if one will differ. Up till now they look pretty much like twins. They were both found within the same calyx and took exactly the same time to germinate.

I think that stressing the plant somewhat may aid in seed production too. I have cut the mother way back for clones so she's feeling very stressed right now, unhappy but healthy.
Withholding water is good too, but not too much, as you know a good balance must be found.

Cheers!
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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: When]
    #21565647 - 04/18/15 10:02 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

:strokebeard: :thanx:  :goodluck:  :cheers:


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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: AquaticPuzzle] * 1
    #21567416 - 04/19/15 10:30 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Awesome that you have acquired salvia seeds! I'd love to try and get some myself in the future. Good luck on growing them!

I'd like to add, it might be in all our interests to try and fix salvia's genetics permanently. Using micro tubule inhibitors like colchicine, we can make salvia a polyploid, essentially this will double the amount of DNA salvia divinorum has in each of it's cells. Polyploid plants have shown extremely strong sex characteristics sometimes, this means it could be much easier to induce a polyploid salvia to reproduce. Although this will prove extremely difficult due to the fact most successful polyploidies will require 10+ seeds to produce 1 living plant, I am determined to do it before I kick the bucket, or get someone interested enough to do it earlier :laugh:!

Search up polyploid cannabis, for it has been done successfully and can end up with double-wide nug growth resulting in a huge ''log'' of weed coming out from a very thick plant! Truly amazing and so easy using a tea from autumn crocus bulbs.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: Psychecaleb]
    #21567516 - 04/19/15 11:06 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Awesome that you have acquired salvia seeds! I'd love to try and get some myself in the future. Good luck on growing them!

I'd like to add, it might be in all our interests to try and fix salvia's genetics permanently. Using micro tubule inhibitors like colchicine, we can make salvia a polyploid, essentially this will double the amount of DNA salvia divinorum has in each of it's cells. Polyploid plants have shown extremely strong sex characteristics sometimes, this means it could be much easier to induce a polyploid salvia to reproduce. Although this will prove extremely difficult due to the fact most successful polyploidies will require 10+ seeds to produce 1 living plant, I am determined to do it before I kick the bucket, or get someone interested enough to do it earlier :laugh:!

Search up polyploid cannabis, for it has been done successfully and can end up with double-wide nug growth resulting in a huge ''log'' of weed coming out from a very thick plant! Truly amazing and so easy using a tea from autumn crocus bulbs.




Thanks :cool:
Awesome comment, I love studying salvia d and you've peaked my interest with polyploid. I have read some but not in great detail about polyploids and colchicine and not in relation to sd. I laugh every time colchicine is brought up, it brings me back to when I first heard about it...as a kid watching Quincy M.D. on tv :lol: There was a show on kids getting sick from smoking colchicine pot, funny!

If I can manage to propagate more seeds, that may be an interesting experiment for sure! A chunky form of sd would be sweet, and with increased activity with more consistent seed set and viability?
... Niiiice :thumbup:

We definitely need more people to try this.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: When]
    #21574686 - 04/21/15 06:50 AM (9 years, 29 days ago)

Day 25 update...
Growing a bit quicker, a bit.
And look at the root!

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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: When]
    #21577178 - 04/21/15 04:48 PM (9 years, 29 days ago)

:whacker: Oh my god this gives me a raging hard on:lol:


I love plants and this is the holy grail of seed grown plants great job dude:super:

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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: spaceman101]
    #21580340 - 04/22/15 01:43 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

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:whacker: Oh my god this gives me a raging hard on:lol:


I love plants and this is the holy grail of seed grown plants great job dude:super:





Thanks dude :grin:

A few pics from this morning...



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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: When]
    #21580358 - 04/22/15 01:50 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

So, have the stems squared up yet? Did they emerge from the seed round stemmed? Can't really tell from the pics.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21580405 - 04/22/15 02:13 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

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So, have the stems squared up yet? Did they emerge from the seed round stemmed? Can't really tell from the pics.





Yes they emerged with round stems and they're still round. It will be interesting to watch them develop.
I wonder if the lower stem will square before the new growth?
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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: When]
    #21580438 - 04/22/15 02:26 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

It absolutely WILL be interesting! If I were to wager a guess, I would say that the lower stems would stay round and only new growth would square, but then again, I've never grown sally from seed so what do I know:shrug:


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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21580453 - 04/22/15 02:32 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

I have some old sallies with really gnarled woody bases that are pretty rounded so I second he rounded base hypothesis :thumbup:


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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: musiclover420]
    #21580558 - 04/22/15 03:04 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

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It absolutely WILL be interesting! If I were to wager a guess, I would say that the lower stems would stay round and only new growth would square, but then again, I've never grown sally from seed so what do I know:shrug:





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I have some old sallies with really gnarled woody bases that are pretty rounded so I second he rounded base hypothesis :thumbup:




Ya you guys are probably correct, it might be more natural for the plant to develop the square with the new growth, maybe the 3rd or 4th node?

Cheers
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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: When]
    #21580611 - 04/22/15 03:18 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

I can't wait to find out and see for sure :thumbup:


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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: When]
    #21580873 - 04/22/15 04:21 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

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It absolutely WILL be interesting! If I were to wager a guess, I would say that the lower stems would stay round and only new growth would square, but then again, I've never grown sally from seed so what do I know:shrug:





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I have some old sallies with really gnarled woody bases that are pretty rounded so I second he rounded base hypothesis :thumbup:




Ya you guys are probably correct, it might be more natural for the plant to develop the square with the new growth, maybe the 3rd or 4th node?

Cheers
:cool:





lol now that we are gonna go more specific, I would guess sooner than that. maybe the internodal section that is developing right now. Same way that cotyledons look different than the true leaves and there is only one set of them, perhaps the current stem from the soil to the cotyledons could be considered a 'cotyledon-type stem'. It wouldn't surprise me to see the currently developing stem to show a 'true' squared stem just like the leaves that are developing are 'true' leaves


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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21580963 - 04/22/15 04:46 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

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It absolutely WILL be interesting! If I were to wager a guess, I would say that the lower stems would stay round and only new growth would square, but then again, I've never grown sally from seed so what do I know:shrug:





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musiclover420 said:
I have some old sallies with really gnarled woody bases that are pretty rounded so I second he rounded base hypothesis :thumbup:




Ya you guys are probably correct, it might be more natural for the plant to develop the square with the new growth, maybe the 3rd or 4th node?

Cheers
:cool:





lol now that we are gonna go more specific, I would guess sooner than that. maybe the internodal section that is developing right now. Same way that cotyledons look different than the true leaves and there is only one set of them, perhaps the current stem from the soil to the cotyledons could be considered a 'cotyledon-type stem'. It wouldn't surprise me to see the currently developing stem to show a 'true' squared stem just like the leaves that are developing are 'true' leaves




:smile:Do you think the squared stem would be visable as soon as the "true" stem starts showing more clear , or would it have to develop from a roundish form? Then when the next intermodal stem shows it will be a more defined square and so on until they're fully squared?

We'll see soon!
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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: When]
    #21581089 - 04/22/15 05:15 PM (9 years, 28 days ago)

Could be. Just judging by the similarities between the stems of salvia and coleus, I would say that they might develop similarly from seed, but I haven't raised coleus from seed either. Anybody here ever raised a coleus from seed?


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Re: Salvia Divinorum - Seed experiment [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21582631 - 04/23/15 12:32 AM (9 years, 28 days ago)

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So, have the stems squared up yet? Did they emerge from the seed round stemmed? Can't really tell from the pics.




Should that stem grow above the "baby foliage"?

I mean... Like cannabis or capsicums from seed. They have different stem at base and then above those "baby-foliage".

IDK the name of them in english.

I think real stem shape starts to be visible as fast as plants grow above those baby foliage.

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