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To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder
    #21552991 - 04/15/15 09:03 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

What does it feel like?

The things I've read vs. the things I've heard(from a friend who seems to exaggerate his problems) varies. 

Can you tell me how it affects you?  How does it affect your relationships, school, job, etc?
If it's a persist problem that is always affecting you, how do you know that you even have a problem?  Wouldn't it sort of be like being color-blind?
How did you know you had it?  Are you officially diagnosed?
If you're doing anything to treat it, what are you doing?

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Re: To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder [Re: tito123]
    #21552999 - 04/15/15 09:04 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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tito123 said:
What does it feel like?

The things I've read vs. the things I've heard(from a friend who seems to exaggerate his problems) varies. 

Can you tell me how it affects you?  How does it affect your relationships, school, job, etc?
If it's a persist problem that is always affecting you, how do you know that you even have a problem?  Wouldn't it sort of be like being color-blind?
How did you know you had it?  Are you officially diagnosed?
If you're doing anything to treat it, what are you doing?






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Re: To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder [Re: tito123] * 1
    #21556795 - 04/16/15 07:25 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I don't have this disorder, but this is what the DSM-V says:

Depersonalization/derealization disorder is characterized by clinically significant persis­tent or recurrent depersonalization (i.e., experiences of unreality or detachment from one's mind, self, or body) and/or derealization (i.e., experiences of unreality or detachment from one's surroundings). These alterations of experience are accompanied by intact reality testing. There is no evidence of any distinction between individuals with predominantly depersonalization versus derealization symptoms. Therefore, individuals with this disor­der can have depersonalization, derealization, or both.

The feeling Neo has when he confronts the reality of The Matrix is an apt analogy.  It is a sensation that the reality you are experiencing is not in fact real, and of "waking up" to that fact.  The difference is that in Neo's case, he was coming to grips with reality as it actually was, whereas patients with this disorder are actually losing contact with reality, despite being able to track it in a biographical sense.

People with depersonalization/derealization disorder tend to have few relationships, and those relationships tend to be unstable.  Their behaviour is often erratic, as people who've come under the impression they are not participating in reality are not as likely to respect its boundaries.  They often appear to be "testing" their surroundings to investigate their authenticity, and sometimes confuse people in their lives with bizarre existential questions or statements.  For a example, a person suffering from depersonalization does not say "I would like of glass of milk," but rather something more like "a feeling is arising which indicates that a glass of milk is sought by this organism."

Severe depressive states can take on depersonalized or derealized features.  This occurs when communication between those regions of the brain tasked with articulating our experience of reality becomes so depressed that the experience itself starts to deteriorate.  Executive centres take the forefront, and reality becomes a kind of data-stream of essenceless facts.

In bipolar patients, this very often precedes a manic switch, as other regions of the brain can hyperactivate in a compensatory manner.  Anxiety is the typical pathway here: a severely depressed state generates a depersonalized or derealized state, which in turn generates an anxiety state and finally a manic state which can persist for hours, days, weeks, or even months, depending on the severity of the bipolar disorder.  In unipolar depression, mania does not follow depersonalization/derealization, but instead comes with profound psychomotor retardation, i.e., slow and highly deliberate movements and delayed speech.  In essence, disinterest becomes detachment.  A night's sleep is usually adequate to resolve it, but the episodes can become recurrent, especially if the depression is left untreated.

Trauma can lead to depersonalized/derealized states.  Survivors of major disasters often undergo such states, and require therapy to overcome them.  It can be a feature of survivor's guilt, as the person's psychology is unable to integrate the guilt of emerging from a disaster in which others perished, and so begins to generalize a rejection of reality.  This is explored in an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, season 5 episode 11, Hero Worship.  In this episode, a young boy survives the destruction of the starship he lived on with his parents, and feels inappropriately responsible for the tragedy.  Unable to integrate this, he adopts the identity of an android, and begins to emulate Data in the course of his depersonalization.  Check out this episode if you are interested in depersonalization; it contains some interesting insights.


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Re: To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder [Re: Ped]
    #21556831 - 04/16/15 07:33 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Ped said:
I don't have this disorder, but this is what the DSM-V says:

Depersonalization/derealization disorder is characterized by clinically significant persis­tent or recurrent depersonalization (i.e., experiences of unreality or detachment from one's mind, self, or body) and/or derealization (i.e., experiences of unreality or detachment from one's surroundings). These alterations of experience are accompanied by intact reality testing. There is no evidence of any distinction between individuals with predominantly depersonalization versus derealization symptoms. Therefore, individuals with this disor­der can have depersonalization, derealization, or both.

The feeling Neo has when he confronts the reality of The Matrix is an apt analogy.  It is a sensation that the reality you are experiencing is not in fact real, and of "waking up" to that fact.  The difference is that in Neo's case, he was coming to grips with reality as it actually was, whereas patients with this disorder are actually losing contact with reality, despite being able to track it in a biographical sense.

People with depersonalization/derealization disorder tend to have few relationships, and those relationships tend to be unstable.  Their behaviour is often erratic, as people who've come under the impression they are not participating in reality are not as likely to respect its boundaries.  They often appear to be "testing" their surroundings to investigate their authenticity, and sometimes confuse people in their lives with bizarre existential questions or statements.  For a example, a person suffering from depersonalization does not say "I would like of glass of milk," but rather something more like "a feeling is arising which indicates that a glass of milk is sought by this organism."

Severe depressive states can take on depersonalized or derealized features.  This occurs when communication between those regions of the brain tasked with articulating our experience of reality becomes so depressed that the experience itself starts to deteriorate.  Executive centres take the forefront, and reality becomes a kind of data-stream of essenceless facts.

In bipolar patients, this very often precedes a manic switch, as other regions of the brain can hyperactivate in a compensatory manner.  Anxiety is the typical pathway here: a severely depressed state generates a depersonalized or derealized state, which in turn generates an anxiety state and finally a manic state which can persist for hours, days, weeks, or even months, depending on the severity of the bipolar disorder.  In unipolar depression, mania does not follow depersonalization/derealization, but instead comes with profound psychomotor retardation, i.e., slow and highly deliberate movements and delayed speech.  In essence, disinterest becomes detachment.  A night's sleep is usually adequate to resolve it, but the episodes can become recurrent, especially if the depression is left untreated.

Trauma can lead to depersonalized/derealized states.  Survivors of major disasters often undergo such states, and require therapy to overcome them.  It can be a feature of survivor's guilt, as the person's psychology is unable to integrate the guilt of emerging from a disaster in which others perished, and so begins to generalize a rejection of reality.  This is explored in an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, season 5 episode 11, Hero Worship.  In this episode, a young boy survives the destruction of the starship he lived on with his parents, and feels inappropriately responsible for the tragedy.  Unable to integrate this, he adopts the identity of an android, and begins to emulate Data in the course of his depersonalization.  Check out this episode if you are interested in depersonalization; it contains some interesting insights.




I stopped reading after you referenced the dsm. And started again when you talked about star trek. Then stopped reading again xD




I will check out the episode but on my own time.

Depersonalization is like disorderly conduct for police. You didn't commit a real crime but you are acting disorderly. Just as though you don't really have a mental illness, you are just acting and speaking a way that is not part of MY reality. Therefor you are a lunatic and need drugs to correct the electrical signals your brain is so obviously sending you into chaos with.

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Re: To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder [Re: Shiithead]
    #21556880 - 04/16/15 07:45 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

The DSM is an excellent manual, and is a compendium for the best psychiatric understanding available at the present time.  Criticism of it stems from an over-reliance on its diagnostic criteria.  The manual is not intended to be used as a diagnostic instrument, however, it is intended to facilitate communication between clinicians.  Misuse of the DSM is not evidence of its irrelevance or inadequacy, it is evidence of incompetence and laziness occurring at the lower rungs of the profession.

Your linked video takes a quote of context in its first sixty seconds.  The psychiatrist talking about "total control" of human emotional states is talking about the ability to reliably treat the complete spectrum of mental illness.  In 1967, this kind of sentiment came from an enthusiasm about drug development and design that was only beginning to take off at the time.  Today, we now understand that the terrain is considerably more complex than previously thought, and such ambitious statements are no longer made.

There is not and has never been a conspiracy to control society or populations among the psychiatric community.  There are no shadowy figures lurking there, just egg heads in white coats.

If there is any bad behaviour going on, it is coming from the pharmaceutical industry.  These people are looking to make a buck, however, not take over the world.  They cut corners and misrepresent data, and they corrode the shores of psychiatry with endless tides of marketing, but they are not trying to deprive people of life and liberty as part of some diabolical plot.


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Re: To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder [Re: Ped]
    #21556916 - 04/16/15 07:57 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

it's like a subtle phase that could eventually lead to a psychosis.


relationships seem unreal, life is like a joke. loss of sense of humour. crippling anxiety, low-self steem.


In my opinion anyway.

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Re: To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder [Re: Ped]
    #21556952 - 04/16/15 08:09 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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The DSM is an excellent manual, and is a compendium for the best psychiatric understanding available at the present time.  Criticism of it stems from an over-reliance on its diagnostic criteria.  The manual is not intended to be used as a diagnostic instrument, however, it is intended to facilitate communication between clinicians.  Misuse of the DSM is not evidence of its irrelevance or inadequacy, it is evidence of incompetence and laziness occurring at the lower rungs of the profession.

Your linked video takes a quote of context in its first sixty seconds.  The psychiatrist talking about "total control" of human emotional states is talking about the ability to reliably treat the complete spectrum of mental illness.  In 1967, this kind of sentiment came from an enthusiasm about drug development and design that was only beginning to take off at the time.  Today, we now understand that the terrain is considerably more complex than previously thought, and such ambitious statements are no longer made.

There is not and has never been a conspiracy to control society or populations among the psychiatric community.  There are no shadowy figures lurking there, just egg heads in white coats.

If there is any bad behaviour going on, it is coming from the pharmaceutical industry.  These people are looking to make a buck, however, not take over the world.  They cut corners and misrepresent data, and they corrode the shores of psychiatry with endless tides of marketing, but they are not trying to deprive people of life and liberty as part of some diabolical plot.




:lolwut:

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Re: To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder [Re: Shiithead]
    #21557158 - 04/16/15 08:49 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Best way I could describe it for me is it just comes on after heavy pot or psych use weed has to be heeeeeeaaaavvvvyyyyy though like stoned 24/7 a week or two straight.

Everything just feels like a dream man. Hazy but you dont think hazy everything just seems hazy? if that makes sense. life just feels like the most vivid dream you could have. and not in a good way. in a like what is feeling way.

That prob made no sense op. But yeah


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Re: To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder [Re: Mescalean]
    #21561861 - 04/18/15 12:05 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

i have experienced this all my life.  there are some medications that can help and talk therapy.  it's related to bipolar disorder and personality issues for me.  pretty shitty but what ped said pretty much describes my life even though it's not always that way and goes in cycles.  being aware of it is half the battle, but that brings frustration because you know you're a certain way and yet continue to make the same errors or find yourself in same situations.

interestingly, i like dissociation causing drugs the best.

seek help if this is you because there's hope :laugh:

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Re: To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder [Re: refried]
    #21564184 - 04/18/15 03:09 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Swim has a iq of 133 so it plays for the better , Swim crush live poker tournaments because even the "vibers" don't feel swim's presence  Swim hides his emotion. Swim is a rock of power , the rock that birthed son goku . Swim tackles life as love or fear, the two most mind controlling emotions. choose love what is the normal path of life . it is initially mind blowing because swim feel no remorse towards anything. Swim had to relearn control and appreciation.

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Re: To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder [Re: Whereami]
    #21564296 - 04/18/15 03:46 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

come again?

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Re: To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder [Re: Whereami]
    #21566881 - 04/19/15 09:23 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Swim has a iq of 133 so it plays for the better , Swim crush live poker tournaments because even the "vibers" don't feel swim's presence  Swim hides his emotion. Swim is a rock of power , the rock that birthed son goku . Swim tackles life as love or fear, the two most mind controlling emotions. choose love what is the normal path of life . it is initially mind blowing because swim feel no remorse towards anything. Swim had to relearn control and appreciation.




I feel you.. i have a dream, to find someone, and create a life where there is only love and fear(till there is fear no more).. this is solved by my knowledge in shamanism, enlightenment and unbiased perspectives. It only takes of that person, so charm me properly, love me truly, and be brawe enough to trust me and to walk this hard path -in order toexperiencee a litteraly PERFECT life, where every thing is reflected to the point of truth, where all is love, acceptance, and alive,  after a while, even the comedowns are perfect and enjoyable above all else in this entire world. 

What is the catch then? You have to be evil enough to take that life for yourself, have no ego in the matter, whilst caring emphatically about every single thing alive, as you watch it be tortured, without any blame or hate or excuses, as you see how it all came to be, and is a horrible, but inavoidable tragedy.


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Re: To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder [Re: Icyus]
    #21568104 - 04/19/15 01:36 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

how did you decipher that??

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Re: To those of you with Depersonalization or Derealization disorder [Re: refried]
    #21570882 - 04/20/15 08:44 AM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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how did you decipher that??



The right mix of apathy, madness and dispair.


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