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 Polygamy and Incest 
#2156298 - 12/03/03 06:42 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Many opponents of gay marriage have made a slippery-slope argument where if you allow gay marriage that it would lead to legalization of things like polygamy and incest. But I have yet to hear anyone ask what to me is an obvious question: So what? If a man wants to marry more than one woman, and all of them are ok with that, why shouldn't he be allowed to do so? If a brother and sister want to marry each other, how does that impinge on anyone else's freedom? Can anyone give me a rational argument as to why these things should be illegal?
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 Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: silversoul7]
#2156317 - 12/03/03 06:48 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Incest isn't marriage it is sex. Most municipalities WILL allow "close family marriages", if you guarantee yo will not reproduce.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: enimatpyrt]
#2156319 - 12/03/03 06:49 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just more assaulting on typical White Christian value. The freakier, the better.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: enimatpyrt]
#2156330 - 12/03/03 06:55 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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White Christian values are fine as long as they're not used as the basis for laws. There's a thing called the Establishment Clause in the Bill of Rights, and I prefer that we abide by it.
PS: Do you keep getting banned or something? You keep coming back with new names. First JohnnyRespect, then lysergic, now this. Pick a name and stick with it.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: silversoul7]
#2156716 - 12/03/03 09:01 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Incest is different, it affects their children and their right to not be retarted
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: LaCasta]
#2157012 - 12/03/03 10:50 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey, lots of kids turn out fucked up even without incest. I don't go around blaming my parents for me not being as handsome as I'd like to be. Intelligence, looks, etc. are privileges, not rights. Come to think of it, Bush should be in favor of legalizing incest. The more retarded people people there are, the bigger his voting base.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: silversoul7]
#2157065 - 12/03/03 11:13 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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In my experience the right wing Christian outlook seems to be "Golly,if they legalize gay marriages,I'll have to be gay too."
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: silversoul7]
#2157122 - 12/03/03 11:31 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm too angry about the entire issue to even frame a reply.
I'll just say,
I am proud to be a citizen of Mass, and I'm proud my mom's partner will one day be able get the same state benefits my step-mom does.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: monoamine]
#2157132 - 12/03/03 11:34 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really?
I haven't picked up on that one.
I believe that as far as marriage and the government is concerned, marriage should be just like any other contract between two or more people. Like a civil partnership. A marriage is just a very small for-profit organization.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: monoamine]
#2157167 - 12/03/03 11:48 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn right, monoamine.
Or more like:
if we allow gays to exist,
my kids will be gay.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#2157170 - 12/03/03 11:50 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean that see it as a direct assault on their "values" like it's going turn every other person gay and totally destroy the institution of marriage. I don't know where you live,but the southern Baptists around here are quite nasty...
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: monoamine]
#2157291 - 12/04/03 01:00 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't really associate with any christians.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: silversoul7]
#2157333 - 12/04/03 01:35 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some dude in Utah is appealing his polygamy charges. I'm glad to see the Mormon's chipping in and pushing the envelope. Harems legal in 2005!
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: LaCasta]
#2157752 - 12/04/03 09:19 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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is the right not to be retarded guaranteed by
the bill of rights?
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: silversoul7]
#2157934 - 12/04/03 10:56 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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The bible
The USA is run by the Christian thought.That's it. That's all there is to it. The bible says it's bad, so it's bad.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: Learyfan]
#2158119 - 12/04/03 12:26 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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religion shall be the death of us...
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: Azmodeus]
#2158138 - 12/04/03 12:39 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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The US is only residually run by christian thought. It was founded primarily by christians so early laws are gonna reflect that. I dont think it will be long before gay marriages are made legal through most of the US as it is becoming more and more a lifestyle accepted if not always respected in mainstreem US. Poligamy doesnt seem as likely to recieve mainstream acceptance due simply to the extremely few numbers of individuals that can make such an arrangement work. Everyone i personally know would go crazy jelousy ape shit on their significant others significant others. Incest however is a different story than both of these. Laws promoting healthy children will not ever be changed. And if a brother and sister really wanted to be together with a child they could always adopt or get doner sperm or something. There are alternatives to being a genetic father and uncle.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: Totalay]
#2158180 - 12/04/03 01:06 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont know where or why the law got involved and made these things illegal either. Not that they're right, but I dont see how the government should have a say in it.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: Learyfan]
#2158642 - 12/04/03 03:37 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Learyfan said:
The bible
The USA is run by the Christian thought.That's it. That's all there is to it. The bible says it's bad, so it's bad.
Which part of the Bible? There are parts of the Bible which seem to support polygamy.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: silversoul7]
#2158651 - 12/04/03 03:40 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Use the part that supports what your saying...ignore the rest...its full of contradictions.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: Azmodeus]
#2158932 - 12/04/03 05:31 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think that homosexuality is a condition caused by external variables.I think it is a patholgoical condition, and up until the doctor who now wants pedophilia removed from the DSM-IV, the medical community agreed. Homosexuality is not a 'healthy' lifestyle, and should not be encouraged. If you want to be gay behind closed doors, thats fine, i'll do my sexual activities behind closed doors too. If you want to rub it in everyone's faces, don't be surprised that you loose some followers, no matter how many movies Hollywood makes to make gays look like cultural gifts to humanity.
Also, ss7 and alex123, I am not lysergic, johnnyrespect, or any other users of this system. I may/maynot have a "puppet" in accordance with the "puppet" clause relating to the grow log / picture forum, but thats it.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: enimatpyrt]
#2158933 - 12/04/03 05:32 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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As for polygamy, if a man wants to do that to himself, I don't see why it should be stopped.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: enimatpyrt]
#2158949 - 12/04/03 05:39 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aside from STD's, which straight people can contract as well, describe how homosexuality is an "unhealthy" lifestyle. It simply deviates from the norm, and therefore people are afraid of it.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: silversoul7]
#2158957 - 12/04/03 05:44 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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What would you say the ratio of straight people with AIDS is to homosexual people with AIDS is?
I think that the word "Afraid" is a bit excessive, and goes to show the character of the pro-gay platform. I'm not "Afraid" of homosexual people, I'm "afraid" that it will be taught to my kids as a perfectly acceptable way of life. I don't belive that it is, and Id on't want the idiot box or some pinko teacher telling my kids that it is ok.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: enimatpyrt]
#2158986 - 12/04/03 05:55 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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First of all, I didn't say people were afraid of homosexuals. They're afraid of homosexuality, as you have clearly demonstrated is the case for you. As for the AIDS cases, it does indeed affect more gay people than straight people. So what? There are all kinds of diseases that are more common with certain groups of people than others. Why should it not be accepted? Why not live and let live? Why is it a good thing to hate and not love everyone? Do you seriously think that if your kids are taught that gay people are ok that they'll become gay? Or are you just afraid that they might actually see them as decent human beings?
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: silversoul7]
#2159135 - 12/04/03 06:47 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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initially it started off as a gay disease...but
considering the way it is rampaging through
developing nations, I would wager that his
whole 'more gay people have it' argument
is largely false.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: afoaf]
#2159695 - 12/04/03 09:41 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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a couple of years ago, the number of women with the disease equalled the number of men with the disease. So the male-male sex can't be that big of a factor. Which reminds me, how would you respond to gay women relationships/marriage? After all, thats as safe sex as they come.
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: silversoul7]
#2194003 - 12/21/03 02:30 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Polygamist Family Just Wants to Be Normal
(2003-12-20) -- The family sits around the Christmas tree. The grownups sip hot cocoa. The children giggle as they shake wrapped gifts trying to guess the contents.
It's a Norman Rockwell, home and hearth, God-Bless-America moment.
But when the Masterson family ventures into public, they're not treated like full citizens. Archaic laws, religious bigotry and misguided morality often leave them feeling shunned -- strangers in their own land. What they see as a loving family, the government calls criminal.
That's because Bob Masterson is a polygamist. He shares his spacious suburban home with six wives, and their 23 children. The Mastersons are at the center of a court battle which they hope will grant polygamists the same rights that normal, heterosexual, monogamous married couples have.
The Masterson's case comes as the eyes of the nation are on New Jersey, where seven homosexual couples are suing for the right to marry.
"We are good citizens, we pay our taxes and we are caring parents ? but we don't have the same equality as other Americans," Mr. Masterson said. "We're tired of having to explain our relationship."
Although it may seem like a pipe dream, given America's primitive, provincial culture, the Mastersons yearn for the day when they can enjoy the little privileges other married people take for granted.
"Someday," Mr. Masterson said, "I want to have my checks imprinted with 'Bob and Lorraine, Cindy, Jennifer, Lucy, Abigail and Barbara Masterson'. Is that too much to ask? I look forward to the day when I can check the 'Married, filing jointly' box on the IRS 1040, and there are enough signature lines for all of us. It's little things like that."
Although it doesn't seem much to ask, Mr. Masterson knows that it will take a tectonic shift in American culture.
"Like I keep telling the old ladies, it's going to take baby steps," he said. "It will start with the TV sitcoms, where you'll begin to see fun-loving polygamist characters. Then someone will do a show like 'Polygamist Eye for the Monogamous Guy'."
Still, Mr. Masterson and his wives know that fully-legal polygamist marriage is a long way off.
"Frankly," he said, "Right now, we'd settle for being treated under the law like ordinary Vermont lesbians."
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Re: Polygamy and Incest [Re: afoaf]
#2194397 - 12/21/03 07:25 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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