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Re: true wealth [Re: Swami]
#2154996 - 12/03/03 12:08 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Swami said: Testing the upper and lower bounds of a hypothesis is a good measure of it's consistency and validity.
However, if it works for people that have the basic essentials provided for, and not for those who haven't been provided for, than it can still be used by those who are provided for.
I mean, hell ja, if I was being tortured or was fighting for survival, I think the pain or the immediacy of the situation would probably prevent me from taking deep breaths and focusing on positive, "life is great" thoughts.
But if I am sitting in a warm home and I break a guitar string, I don't see why I have to have my day ruined by something that was going to happen anyways, when I still have access to this place. Hell, even if the computer was broken as well, and all I had was my bed, I'd still have to be happy.
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sigh... people try to find loopholes in everything,
I see. It is better to put blinders on and pretend, than to thoroughly check out a hypothesis.
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The funny thing is, a lot of people that "have a computer, electricity, heat, shelter, running water, etc." aren't happy.
Thats my point. I'm not the happiest fellow. I'm happy alot, but maybe only %30 of the time. I have a nice computer and all the stuff you mentioned. But I'm not satisfied. I've even tried the "be happy no matter what" attitude, and while it worked for a time, eventually reality came back. Just when I think I'm pretty damn lucky, when I step out the door I notice a thousand people who got it better. And it's not a nicer car or a faster computer. It's their lifestyle. They do what they love for a living, they get paid for it, they have caring partners, etc. Everyone has their list of what they ain't got, but some of those are crucial, and without them its tough being joyously happy, or even content. I'm not content at all, I'm still struggling to get what I want need and deserve. How do I know I'll be happy when I get it, that it's not just a wild goose chase? Cuz I used to have it, and I was happy then.
I think it is human nature to not be endlessly happy, and denying that can lead to some bad stuff happening. If you are content with everything, if you are at peace with everything, then you aren't going to fix the stuff that is broken. You can stop noticing or caring about the cracks and the leaks. Eventually the dam breaks. And when it does you won't be happy. All your repressed anger and hate will come pouring out. So I say, let the faucet run.
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Re: true wealth [Re: pattern]
#2155273 - 12/03/03 01:10 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree that a certain amount of discontent is needed for life to be progressive, but I don't see why you can't be happy as well? Can't you be happy on your journey to where you want to be?
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Re: true wealth [Re: pattern]
#2155287 - 12/03/03 01:12 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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pattern said: ...Everyone has their list of what they ain't got, but some of those are crucial, and without them its tough being joyously happy, or even content. I'm not content at all, I'm still struggling to get what I want need and deserve. How do I know I'll be happy when I get it, that it's not just a wild goose chase? Cuz I used to have it, and I was happy then.....
I think it is human nature to not be endlessly happy, and denying that can lead to some bad stuff happening. If you are content with everything, if you are at peace with everything, then you aren't going to fix the stuff that is broken. You can stop noticing or caring about the cracks and the leaks. Eventually the dam breaks. And when it does you won't be happy. All your repressed anger and hate will come pouring out. So I say, let the faucet run.
Things change. Human nature evolves. See how we have changed. Our mind does not operate the same way when we are a child as it does now. Human nature never used to deal with a lot of things it deals with now.
There might be people out there that "have it better", as far as a fufilling relationship, living how they want, etc. is concerned. Some people would be happy being a head of a corporation, some wouldn't. Some people are happy with a low paying job, coming home to a small home, turning on the tv and relaxing every day.
The point is that nothing makes you happy. It is all in your mind. Someone who is raised as a child in a rich home probably isn't going to be happy when they have to prepare their own food. Chefs enjoy cooking, that is why they do it. I'm sorry if what you require to be happy isn't making you happy. It is your own choice.
And, by the way, anger and hate can't get repressed if it isn't generated. Learning to be happy with the moment you are in has nothing to do with ignorance. Peace.
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Re: true wealth [Re: sirreal]
#2155298 - 12/03/03 01:15 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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> Can't you be happy on your journey to where you want to be?
No, what do you want me to do, go back in time and make myself happy? I'd be alot happier if there was some indication that I was making progress on my "journey", but so far its lookin pretty bleak. Not like that stops me, I keep on chuggin. Or I could just give up my dreams, work a pointless job forever, take up heavy drinking, and have no more worries or cares... kinda like school...
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Re: true wealth [Re: pattern]
#2155310 - 12/03/03 01:18 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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pattern said: No, what do you want me to do, go back in time and make myself happy? I'd be alot happier if there was some indication that I was making progress on my "journey", but so far its lookin pretty bleak.
Hell, I always thought that it was suspossed to be all about the journey, not the destination. *shrugs* Peace.
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I'm sorry if what you require to be happy isn't making you happy.
Isn't not that the requirements "don't" make me happy, it's that they don't exist, so without them I can't be truly happy. I'm more happy than a POW, but for a POW to be happy he needs to escape from prison. Know what I mean? There are obstacles to contentment... I'll bet you had to overcome some of those. If not, you probably will someday, or consider yourself lucky that you don't have to. When it takes years to overcome the obstacle, your attitude can get ground down.
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Re: true wealth [Re: pattern]
#2155324 - 12/03/03 01:22 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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pattern said: > Can't you be happy on your journey to where you want to be?
No, what do you want me to do, go back in time and make myself happy? I'd be alot happier if there was some indication that I was making progress on my "journey", but so far its lookin pretty bleak. Not like that stops me, I keep on chuggin. Or I could just give up my dreams, work a pointless job forever, take up heavy drinking, and have no more worries or cares... kinda like school...
I actually understand what you are saying.But it sounds like you might need to change your attitude.
Is your goal in life one that you have even a very slim chance of obtaining? If so, then fucking go for it with no regard and be happy doing it. Don't think about the end result. Relish the whole experience.
If there is no chance, then yeah, become a drunk.
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Re: true wealth [Re: sirreal]
#2155331 - 12/03/03 01:24 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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sirreal said: If there is no chance, then yeah, become a drunk.
And fucking be happy doing it.  Peace.
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Re: true wealth [Re: sirreal]
#2155477 - 12/03/03 02:05 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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sirreal said: I actually understand what you are saying.But it sounds like you might need to change your attitude.
Is your goal in life one that you have even a very slim chance of obtaining? If so, then fucking go for it with no regard and be happy doing it. Don't think about the end result. Relish the whole experience.
If there is no chance, then yeah, become a drunk.
lol good advice.
I thought about it some more. All I really need is my own place to live. Then I'll be happy (like all the times when I had my own place and was happy). Unfortunately that is hard to do when your in debt and got no $$$. In the meantime changing my attitude isnt really gonna change anything, like I said I already tried it and it turned around to bite me in the ass. later
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Re: true wealth [Re: pattern]
#2155747 - 12/03/03 03:22 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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swami, you are correct.
since gold=money and money=food shelter and all the necessities sure.
but gold itself doesn't have that value of these necessities, it's just the buying power
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Re: true wealth [Re: kaiowas]
#2155800 - 12/03/03 03:35 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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so yeah, true wealth anyone??
-------------------- Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.
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Re: true wealth [Re: kaiowas]
#2155831 - 12/03/03 03:42 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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kaiowas said: so yeah, true wealth anyone??
Nope. If someone being tortured can't have it, then I refuse to have it.  Peace.
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ummm, I can see merit in enjoying the things you have while striving for the things you want (and im not talking just material things here, BTW). Its not like you have to be either HAPPY or SAD and there is no in between. I like walking my dog, it brings me happiness, but at the same time, i can be thinking, man, i wish i had some nice warm boots, the snow is coming in over the tops of my sneakers. I could then go on to berate myself, saying i need a better job, so i can have money to buy those boots,i need to finish school, but i can be like, well, life aint perfect, and i am striving for more, but look at the dog! damn, she loves chasing that stick! and look how happy i can make her, just by picking the stick up again, and giving it a toss!
i suppose this is not quite what i was originally going for, but the idea is: be happy you have what you have, you could almost always have less, but dont loose sight of the goals!
in the case of the POW, i assume if he can have the thought process to debate his happiness, he can be thankful for still having his mind, and then he can go back to digging that tunnel to sweet freedom! and when/if he makes it, think how happy he will be made, just by having something we all have, but rarely think about?
so, if i may suggest, take a look around, and be thankful for the things you do have, even if that is only the use of your eyes, or the ability to smell, or use your legs. but never forget what you want, and what you can help others by doing.
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Re: true wealth [Re: Entelle]
#2156242 - 12/03/03 06:20 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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happiness is over-rated, the true sage who treads the path of enlightenment distances himself from such extreme emotions.
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I don't want true wealth or true happiness; just a mansion filled with hot young females, candy jars filled with a dozen varieties of herb, a Dodge Viper in the driveway, a huge bank account, a...
Give me false happiness any day!
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