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Offlineenimatpyrt
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If/When the WMD's surface...
    #2156162 - 12/03/03 07:37 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

If / When the WMD's alleged to exist in Iraq do surface, will all of you nay-sayers change your opinion about the president? Will you at least retract the statments you've made about him "lying"? Or will your ego cling to them and assert that the WMD's that were found are false.

On a tangent here, how can you believe that the President is part of a 9/11 conspiracy, and invaded a nation to get their oil, but couldn't have some anthrax bacteria shipped to Iraq and "found" to prove the WMD thing? Evil Genius, is he?


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2156204 - 12/03/03 07:57 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

If WMD's are found in Iraq (and I doubt they will be...) then yes I will change my opinion of G.W.

I'll consider him a lucky SOB :smirk:

I don't think he's much of an evil genius...more of a dumbass puppet. Don't confuse a figurehead with real power :wink:


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: trendal]
    #2156771 - 12/03/03 11:21 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

A: They will not. Question is therefore moot.
B: IF they were, it would be in NO part due to any strategy of the current administration. If the strategy was to go in, spend 9 months there (at this point), spend 150 BILLION dollars (so far), have over 400 US servicemen killed and another 2500 wounded, reduce the infrastructure of Iraq to rubble, and leave a 60% unemployment rate - primarily due to US contractors being given the no-bid contracts for the rebuilding of previously mentioned infrastructure - THEN, finally, 9 months later, to find some WMD... then I'd have to say that was a suck strategy to begin with. Suck enough to warrant the impeachment of the entire staff, at the very least.
C: My ego has nothing to do with the FACT that the president is not only a bad president, but a bad person.
D: Your "tangent" is moronic.


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: GernBlanston]
    #2157032 - 12/04/03 12:58 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I dont think they will find them

if they do, "lucky SOB" fits the bill (if its not a conspiracy)

SO, can anyone give me a reason for invading iraq yet? If it's not oil, and its not freedom, all thats left is DISTRACTION.


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2157061 - 12/04/03 01:10 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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If / When the WMD's alleged to exist in Iraq do surface, will all of you nay-sayers change your opinion about the president? Will you at least retract the statments you've made about him "lying"?




If that happened I would retract everything I said about the war being bullshit. But let's define what we mean by WMD. I don't consider small amounts of biological and chemical weapons WMD. It would have to be a nuke or something.

Then again,as Alex put it,if my aunt had nuts,I would probably call her my uncle. It's never going to happen...


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2157070 - 12/04/03 01:15 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Even without the WMDs, we've been lied to, in a vain attempt to justify an unjust war.

Fuck, man, if they HAD WMDs, where do you think they got them? Funding from the USA in the war against Iran.


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: monoamine]
    #2157084 - 12/04/03 01:18 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

What, the fabricated link between Al Qada and Hussein doesn't bother you enough to object?

What about the fact that the UN was completely circumvented?


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2157126 - 12/04/03 01:32 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

If enough WMD's were found to constitute a direct threat to us, then ya, I might change my opinion on the war, but not on the president. I also might have a different opinion of the war if he said from the start that the main objective was to rid the people of a murderous dictator, but only if he had done a more multilateral approach instead of pissing off the whole world with his condescending arrogance. Also, he'd have to leave the UN in control of post-war Iraq. Even if the war was justified, the way he has handled it is just plain stupid and ignorant.

There's plenty more reasons to hate his administration besides the Iraq war. The Patriot Act comes to mind, as does trashing the environment, the Homeland Security Act, John Ashcroft, silencing dissent, pissing off the whole world with his arrogance, concealing information about 9/11, and oh so much more.


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2157177 - 12/04/03 01:54 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

How much WMDs would it take? And of what kind?

I mean, what the fuck was iraq gonna DO with sarin or soman?

Probalby just keep gassing the Kurds, like he's BEEN doing.

They had what, ballistic missles with enough range to hit Israel, and that's about it. Hardly a direct immediate must respond to this Threat To America.



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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #2157186 - 12/04/03 02:00 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I know, and that's why I believe Bush was wrong to go to war for the reasons he stated. He certainly carried it out in an irresponsible manner, and continues to do so.


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2157667 - 12/04/03 10:40 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

the WMD argument was only one of the lies used to lead us into war
and it is only one offense in a long list of charges.

if he got up in front of the nation and layed it all out honestly, then
maybe he could be forgiven.


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2157806 - 12/04/03 11:49 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Hell no! He wasn't a threat to us.

Give a fuck what they find.







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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2157881 - 12/04/03 12:32 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

On a tangent here, how can you believe that the President is part of a 9/11 conspiracy, and invaded a nation to get their oil, but couldn't have some anthrax bacteria shipped to Iraq and "found" to prove the WMD thing? Evil Genius, is he?





you just opened up a can of worms, many on this site probably believe that Bush himself crashed the planes into the WTC's via remote control....right Leary? :grin:


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2157884 - 12/04/03 12:33 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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If / When the WMD's alleged to exist in Iraq do surface, will all of you nay-sayers change your opinion about the president?




and what if they don't find any?...what kind of time frame would work for you until you realize it was all a lie? Even Innvertigo has long since come to the realization that the reasons provided for the war were bullshit. It has nothing to do with 'hating' Bush...it has everything to do with the bullshit that his adminsitration is spoon feeding you.


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: Rono]
    #2157920 - 12/04/03 12:47 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

*looks up*

Couldn't have said it better myself.


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: Rono]
    #2157973 - 12/04/03 01:19 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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Even Innvertigo has long since come to the realization that the reasons provided for the war were bullshit




hey!! what's that supposed to mean? Even Innvertigo? :mad:


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2157981 - 12/04/03 01:22 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

he he..I meant that to imply that even one of our most prominent right wingers realized that the reasons given appear to be incorrect....I didn't meen for you to feel singled out... :wink:



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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: Rono]
    #2158139 - 12/04/03 02:39 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

oh, for a minute there i was aboot to weep.  :smile:


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2158228 - 12/04/03 03:27 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Its really a compliment... :smirk:


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Re: If/When the WMD's surface... [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2158261 - 12/04/03 03:41 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

we might save inny yet...



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