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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
    #21557263 - 04/16/15 09:09 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

http://fas.org/irp/budget/

well without those ranges.


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21557265 - 04/16/15 09:10 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

What does it matter if it costs a billion? You think they would blanch at that and say "no, I cannot allow this much of the public's money be spent on this" ? Is that what you think this administration would do? This is the same bunch that burned through multi trillions of dollars already and is spending good money just on advertising to tell us things are just great right now.


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21557266 - 04/16/15 09:11 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

the intelligence budget is 53 billion.... 50 million recording calls doesnt seem like all that big a slice.


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
    #21557279 - 04/16/15 09:14 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Again,  you're just talking about hard drives.  That's like estimating the cost of a car by taking the cost of a tire and multiplying by 4

So far,  you've offered nothing but speculation though.  Any evidence that they're recording all calls?


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Enlil]
    #21557284 - 04/16/15 09:15 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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So you admit you were way off.  That'd be over 300 million a year in storage alone,  and storage isn't even half of it.

And no,  I can't see that.  You're only looking at storage.





of course i can admit when im wrong, im not you...

and yes thats for the storage alone, because the encoders are already in the phone system... no need to duplicate.


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
    #21557294 - 04/16/15 09:17 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Do you have a source for the claim that phones have mp3 encoders and transmit mp3 encoded conversations?


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Enlil]
    #21557301 - 04/16/15 09:18 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

also, like i said you can further compress that data for storage... mp3 is usable compression... if you archive it you can probably make it half that size.

thats also the hard drive price is no volume discount.


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
    #21557305 - 04/16/15 09:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

do you think that phones work like tin cans and string?

thats adorable.


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
    #21557318 - 04/16/15 09:21 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

No,  but I'm also not stupid enough to think they transmit phone calls using open source public domain compression algorithms.


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Enlil]
    #21557334 - 04/16/15 09:24 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

they dont need to.

its more simple than that.

but an encoding stream for all channels isnt a complex thing. to mp3 or anything else. it can be done in real time.

i can encode to mp3 in real time with a program that is less than a page long. saving data in chunks, its not a complicated thing.

the phone data isnt really compressed. its low bit but thats done at the recording level... your cell phone converts it to data in real time compresses it... and then uncompresses when it xmits over land... or when it goes to the sky it keeps it compressed...


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
    #21557348 - 04/16/15 09:27 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

the real point being the phone co does everything it needs other than packaging and storing... packaging is NOTHING. its simpler than a webcam server. by far.


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
    #21557362 - 04/16/15 09:29 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

So they would need over 300 million encoders, and it would take a lot to do it in real time and still get. 3.6mb an hour.

Bottom line, it'd be far too expensive for the intelligence value.  Also,  you've offered zero evidence it's actually happening


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Enlil]
    #21557375 - 04/16/15 09:32 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

no, its like skype man.
they need 1 encoder... with loads of streams.


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
    #21557380 - 04/16/15 09:33 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

its CODE its not even complicated code.

its not even a megabyte of code


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
    #21557382 - 04/16/15 09:33 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Lol, okay.  I see your understanding is limited. Back to the point: do you have any evidence it's actually happening?


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Enlil]
    #21557390 - 04/16/15 09:34 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telephone-calls-recorded-fbi-boston

its not like i'm even tho only one saying it.

BURNETT: Tim, is there any way, obviously, there is a voice mail they can try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point. It's not a voice mail. It's just a conversation. There's no way they actually can find out what happened, right, unless she tells them?

CLEMENTE: "No, there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation. It's not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and/or lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find that out.

BURNETT: "So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is incredible.

CLEMENTE: "No, welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not."


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
    #21557391 - 04/16/15 09:35 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

rxb, you obviously know your way around that part of the woods. No matter if 50m is low or not, it literally does not matter to this administration what something costs. When you've gone through $Trillions already, a few million is like a small tip at a restaurant. For what they want and think they need, we are going to be forced to pay it without getting any benefit from it.

We have to pay for them to spy on us. That's like stalin who made the families of the people he executed pay the costs of ammunition to shoot them down. If they didn't pay they might be shot next.


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21557403 - 04/16/15 09:36 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

its bullshit spying on innocent people.

with the frame work that its "collateral spying"


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
    #21557411 - 04/16/15 09:38 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Is that your evidence?  An interview with someone who didn't even work for the nsa?


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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Enlil]
    #21557428 - 04/16/15 09:41 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

no i was just pulling an article about it.


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