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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: abltsandwich]
    #21553759 - 04/16/15 01:27 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think it will flood the LSD market like NBOMe did because NBOMe was much cheaper than LSD and AFAIK 1P-LSD is more expensive to produce.


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: spixce]
    #21553994 - 04/16/15 04:50 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think it will flood the LSD market like NBOMe did because NBOMe was much cheaper than LSD and AFAIK 1P-LSD is more expensive to produce.



Exactly...
If I had any money right now I'd buy the hell out of 1P. Then again, I wouldn't want to contribute to the speeding up of it being noticed and banned, but it's gonna happen eventually :shrug:


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: spixce]
    #21554581 - 04/16/15 09:42 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think it will flood the LSD market like NBOMe did because NBOMe was much cheaper than LSD and AFAIK 1P-LSD is more expensive to produce.



I know a clearnet vendor selling a gram of crystal for $12,250USD. How does that not compete with LSD?


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: Zombi3]
    #21554599 - 04/16/15 09:48 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Even at $20,000USD for a gram of crystal that = $20/1mg = $2/100ug.

Sell each of those 100ug hits for $5 and you make $50,000USD...

Sure the profit margin was higher with NBOMe but %150 profit for something people wont tell the difference?

And $5/hit is dam reasonable, LSD is never less than $10/hit where I am... And im sure $10/hit is average elsewhere also...

And $20,000USD per gram of crystal is high balling it...


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: Zombi3] * 1
    #21554604 - 04/16/15 09:49 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I'd so much rather see this happen instead of NBOME


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: Zombi3]
    #21554611 - 04/16/15 09:51 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Not to mention that fact that sourcing crystal lsd through means other than the darknet  (still risky!) Is difficult. Sourcing 1p is as easy as a button click.

Yes it will flood the festivals, and no, you won't notice the difference.
I personally wouldn't care if I was sold 1p or pure lsd as acid :shrug:

If it was anything else, even AL-LAD, I'd be bummed. If it was an nbome or nboh I'd be pissed.


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21554634 - 04/16/15 09:57 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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I heard for some reason 1P doesn't show up on an Elrich test


Also, TMJ said it's nowhere near as special as L so I hope this isn't the case


IDK why the fuck vendors sell the pure powder of these lysergamides, that's fucking dumb as shit.



Dude I have L and 1P, I'm telling you, the difference is slight. The biggest differences is stomach discomfort, 1P is slightly more 'relaxing', and it peaks quick so the meat of the trip is over sooner. Which is great for people like me who have kids, a job, ect.



which has more stomach discomfort, L or 1P?


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: ModestMouse]
    #21554656 - 04/16/15 10:03 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Not to mention that fact that sourcing crystal lsd through means other than the darknet  (still risky!) Is difficult. Sourcing 1p is as easy as a button click.

Yes it will flood the festivals, and no, you won't notice the difference.
I personally wouldn't care if I was sold 1p or pure lsd as acid :shrug:

If it was anything else, even AL-LAD, I'd be bummed. If it was an nbome or nboh I'd be pissed.



people with test kits will be able to tell the difference because 1P doesn't show up on an elrich test


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: Sheekle]
    #21555360 - 04/16/15 01:22 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

good i'm glad people can test for it, and i'm glad their is a possible competitor to lsd.


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: teamkiller]
    #21555530 - 04/16/15 02:07 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

A lot of people are getting acid for way cheaper than 1P-LSD is going for.

The dark net and IRL has so many 250-300$ sheet vendors, and crystal (grams for good prices) that I can't see the major suppliers moving to 1P-LSD which is likely more expensive to produce.

I mean it's possible, and you're right..likely no one will know

I still have to order some 1p-LSD for my stash, when I have some funds. I've got LSZ, AL-LAD and a bunch of LSD


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: Zombi3]
    #21555558 - 04/16/15 02:13 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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I dont think so? I can order just about anything I want here... Not a shit load of domestic suppliers and some stuff is not available domestic at all but just about anything in the RC market will ship here.. I cant think of anything that wont ship here actually.. Though with that asshat stephen fucking harper in majority power (especially if he wins this year again..) I bet we see new drug laws anytime...





Yes, we do have analogue laws.  Though they are related to

- phenylpiperidine (covers a range of drugs, from MPPP to Paxil)
- PCP (covers ketamine and ketamine analogues such as methoxetamine)
- fentanyl
- MDPV
- methamphetamine
- amphetamine (covers MDMA and all the psychedelic amphetamines)

I don't believe LSD has analogue laws in place here in Canada.

I missed this post before.

Also, I didn't see the one about grams going for $12,000....the cheapest I've seen LSD in the past month or two was $11,000 for LSD but damn that is close!  You may be right, as it is pretty accessible.


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #21555650 - 04/16/15 02:30 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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I dont think so? I can order just about anything I want here... Not a shit load of domestic suppliers and some stuff is not available domestic at all but just about anything in the RC market will ship here.. I cant think of anything that wont ship here actually.. Though with that asshat stephen fucking harper in majority power (especially if he wins this year again..) I bet we see new drug laws anytime...





Yes, we do have analogue laws.  Though they are related to

- phenylpiperidine (covers a range of drugs, from MPPP to Paxil)
- PCP (covers ketamine and ketamine analogues such as methoxetamine)
- fentanyl
- MDPV
- methamphetamine
- amphetamine (covers MDMA and all the psychedelic amphetamines)

I don't believe LSD has analogue laws in place here in Canada.

I missed this post before.

Also, I didn't see the one about grams going for $12,000....the cheapest I've seen LSD in the past month or two was $11,000 for LSD but damn that is close!  You may be right, as it is pretty accessible.




I wonder why the price is still that high. The price of LSD is high because it's illegal to make, not because it's expensive to make. The synthesis of LSD can be as little as 500 dollars a gram. You would think that when lysergides are legal to obtain and legal to tweak, the price wouldn't be as high as 12,000 dollar.


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: Albertheisenhouer]
    #21555717 - 04/16/15 02:49 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

They both require ergot I believe.
Ergot is not easy to acquire.


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: ModestMouse]
    #21555734 - 04/16/15 02:53 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah that's what I've been wondering is if it uses the same precursors or not. It might just be that the price is as high as it is because supply and demand.


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: nicechrisman]
    #21555760 - 04/16/15 02:58 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

A friend of mine works as a pharmaceutical company as a chemist, he said that ergotamine tartrate is someting they have in stock. I can imagine it's easily accessible to obtain for a legit chemical company


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: Albertheisenhouer]
    #21555926 - 04/16/15 03:27 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I'm pretty sure they must be synthesizing LSD first to get to 1P-LSD

I just can't understand how they would go about it otherwise? I don't have really any chemistry knowledge though and could be completely wrong...


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: sh4d0ws] * 2
    #21555939 - 04/16/15 03:31 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

The thing I like about these new lysergics is
1- I know exactly what I'm taking. Every time I take "LSD" there's always that doubt in my mind.
2- I know the exact dosage. Most LSD dosage is vastly misrepresented.
3- I don't have to kiss some retarded hippy's ass to get it.


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: ModestMouse]
    #21555974 - 04/16/15 03:40 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I would be more worried about trying to obtain Diethylamide than cultivating Ergot fungus haha, and like the dude 2 posts up said, ergotamine tartrate is a med and is occasionally used for treating migraine headaches


And yeah, like I said a few posts back, LSD is only as expensive as it is because it is illegal. If 1P-LSD was fully legal like some RCs are, it would most certainly be cheaper than LSD.

I couldn't imagine there being more than 10 LSD labs in all of the western world (including Europe), so while it may only cost several hundred dollars to make a gram (it may even be much cheaper than that), they need HUGE profit for several reasons. 1) obviously only a few labs exist, meaning it is really hard to synth and nearly impossible to get precursor and 2) since there is only several labs in the world and a LOT of people who do LSD, it goes through a lot of hands, more so than other drugs, and every time it is passed down, the price increases by a lot. That means the chemists can make a ton of money.

If LSD crystal was expensive as street value, it would be $100,000 a gram. Instead, it is less than a fifth of that. That is HUGE profit compared to other drugs, and there really isn't many weak ass tabs out there (as far as I know). That means there is a lot of people laying tabs using a decent amount of crystal. Why? Because crystal LSD is so cheap. Cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap. It is in no way expensive, and it still makes the chemists a shit load of money. Everyone wins with LSD!


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21556000 - 04/16/15 03:49 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

obtaining diethylamide is easier than obtaining ergotamine tartrate. A simple reaction with DEET and NaOH or HCl results in a solution of diethylamide and a byproduct which can be separated by fraction destillation.

The problem with obtaining ergotamine tartrate is that it is watched. You have no excess unless you have a pharmaceutical company (which most of the clandestine chemists don't have)


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Re: I predict 1P-LSD to flood the LSD market this summer! And you wont even notice... [Re: Albertheisenhouer]
    #21556033 - 04/16/15 03:56 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Is ergot sourced from morning glory a total pipe dream? Could you convert it to ET in any respectable amount?


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