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President bans donations to Snowden
#21515459 - 04/07/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just about everyone knows who eduard snowden is. He blew the whistle on a lot of wrong doing by the usa and by obumble in particular. So obumble signed an order april first making any donations to snowden illegal. However, many people have flouted the order in fact over $45k was donated since the order. Obumble has yet to attempt prosecuting anyone. Here is a story about one guy who decided to donate anyway.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/obamas-new-executive-order-banning-donations-to-edward-snowden-challenged-with-33-cent-donation/203979/
Obama’s New Executive Order Banning Donations To Edward Snowden Challenged With 33 Cent Donation Kristopher Ives only sent Snowden 33 cents worth of bitcoin, assuming that it would in fact be intercepted by the government. But for him, it was a statement, more than a donation that he expected to land in the electronic purse of Snowden. By Jackson Marciana for Counter Current News | April 6, 2015 TwitterFacebook Google+ Demonstrators holds up banners with the photo of Edward Snowden during a protest outside of the U.S. Capitol in Washington, on Saturday, Oct. 26, 2013. Protesters demanded that the U.S. Congress investigate the National Security Agency's mass surveillance programs. (AP Photo/Jose Luis Magana)Demonstrators holds up banners with the photo of Edward Snowden during a protest outside of the U.S. Capitol in Washington, on Saturday, Oct. 26, 2013. An Oregon man decided to openly troll President Obama, in an act of protest against the treatment of political exile Edward Snowden. Kristopher Ives is a software programmer who taunted President Obama to come arrest him for openly breaking the law and violating an executive order that bans people from sending donations to Snowden.
Snowden, you will recall, was the former National Security Agency contractor who leaked classified files to journalists back in 2013. He later fled the U.S. and was granted temporary asylum in Moscow.
Kristopher Ives only sent Snowden 33 cents worth of bitcoin, assuming that it would in fact be intercepted by the government. But for him, it was a statement, more than a donation that he expected to land in the electronic purse of Snowden.
“It’s not much but it’s the principle of the matter,” Ives posted all of this on Reddit, writing: “Please come arrest me. I live in Oregon and my name is Kristopher Ives and you can reach me at 503-383-1047.”
Ives said in an interview with The Oregonian that this was timed with Obama’s executive order being announced on the Internet on Friday.
“I don’t want to play the tin foil-hat person,” Ives said, explaining that at first he thought the news of the prohibition was a joke, “but it just seemed so odd to (sign an executive order) on April Fools.”
But Ives looked it up on the Federal Register, and sure enough, it was very real.
The order reads: “Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities.”
Specifically, Ives explains, this seems to prohibit Americans from sending Edward Snowden bitcoin donations.
Ives said that Snowden is this generations “Deep Throat“, the FBI official who leaked information about the Watergate scandal to The Washington Post, leading to President Richard M. Nixon’s resignation.
The business technology website ZDNet agreed with Ives’ reading of the executive order. They published a piece on Friday as well that noted that the order “effectively rules out donations to Edward Snowden.”
“In a post on Reddit’s Bitcoin subreddit, members pledged to donate to the whistleblower’s relief fund, despite the wording of the new executive order suggesting that doing so was illegal,” ZDNet explained.
Ives told Oregon Live that nearly 1,000 donations worth $46,342.09 have made their way to Snowden’s Bitcoin account since the signing of the executive order on Wednesday.
The Reddit thread claims that the donors have used “Edward Snowden’s Official Legal Defense Fund” donation site launched by WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#21515471 - 04/07/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow, so much for a free country..
How fucked up
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Dr.Dankhead]
#21516159 - 04/07/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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This country hasn't been free in a long time if it ever was. Obumble is a pathetic loser, uses his power to silence and harass his main critic.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Stonehenge]
#21528133 - 04/10/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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This sort of thing is outrageous. Especially given all of the 'transparency' and whistleblower protections Obama promised. I remember when all of the major credit card companies stopped processing donations to Snowden.
This article was written back in 2013?
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21528194 - 04/10/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: This sort of thing is outrageous. Especially given all of the 'transparency' and whistleblower protections Obama promised. I remember when all of the major credit card companies stopped processing donations to Snowden. quote]
This is new speak, transparency means keeping more secrets than ever, blocking foia requests more than any other president, and lying constantly. "whistle blower protections" means prosecuting whistleblowers. Its for their own good, you see. Obumble wants them kept in jail where they are safe. I'd like to keep him safe the same way.
>This article was written back in 2013?[/
No, this was very recent.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Stonehenge]
#21528278 - 04/10/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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When I read about the government funding Bradley Manning's sex change operation I was quite skeptical about the situation. It seems to me that they might be forcing him to undergo a sex change because the people in charge have become incredibly sadistic (Torturing in Guantanamo for example) and it also ruins credibility/respectability within certain demographics. I have my doubts as to whether or not he actually requested this, and the fact that our homophobic government would fund it is also suspect.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21546567 - 04/14/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Need more people to stand up and get pissed of that all of this is still going on.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: OldCrafty]
#21547196 - 04/14/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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OldCrafty said: Need more people to stand up and get pissed of that all of this is still going on.
These things take time. People actually are getting pissed. It just takes a fucking decade for anything to get done.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21547633 - 04/14/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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>These things take time. People actually are getting pissed. It just takes a fucking decade for anything to get done.
It may take forever with the media carefully avoiding the subject. I note that obumble has not done a thing to back up his order. The people who openly defied it are still defying it. He probably does not want to lose in court and look like a bigger fool than he already is.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Stonehenge]
#21547684 - 04/14/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is one of the greatest disappointments of our current president, in my mind.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21549698 - 04/15/15 02:06 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Having read the executive order, I failed to see Snowden mentioned in there at all. Unless Snowden is currently "engaging in significant malicious cyber-enabled activities", then the order doesn't really apply to him.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Seuss]
#21551327 - 04/15/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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It is an extremely broad order with the usual weasel words that could be extended to almost anyone and certainly to snowden. It bans in part:
(i) any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have engaged in, directly or indirectly, cyber-enabled activities originating from, or directed by persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States that are reasonably likely to result in, or have materially contributed to, a significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States and that have the purpose or effect of:
(A) harming, or otherwise significantly compromising the provision of services by, a computer or network of computers that support one or more entities in a critical infrastructure sector;
(B) significantly compromising the provision of services by one or more entities in a critical infrastructure sector;
(C) causing a significant disruption to the availability of a computer or network of computers; or
(D) causing a significant misappropriation of funds or economic resources, trade secrets, personal identifiers, or financial information for commercial or competitive advantage or private financial gain; orthat have the purpose or effect of:
(A) harming, or otherwise significantly compromising the provision of services by, a computer or network of computers that support one or more entities in a critical infrastructure sector;
(B) significantly compromising the provision of services by one or more entities in a critical infrastructure sector;
(C) causing a significant disruption to the availability of a computer or network of computers; or
(D) causing a significant misappropriation of funds or economic resources, trade secrets, personal identifiers, or financial information for commercial or competitive advantage or private financial gain; or
(ii) any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State:
(A) to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have engaged in, the receipt or use for commercial or competitive advantage or private financial gain, or by a commercial entity, outside the United States of trade secrets misappropriated through cyber-enabled means, knowing they have been misappropriated, where the misappropriation of such trade secrets is reasonably likely to result in, or has materially contributed to, a significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States;
(B) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, or technological support for, or goods or services in support of, any activity described in subsections (a)(i) or (a)(ii)(A) of this section or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order;
(C) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or
(D) to have attempted to engage in any of the activities described in subsections (a)(i) and (a)(ii)(A)-(C) of this section.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Stonehenge]
#21551355 - 04/15/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Snowden definitely fits that criteria. Whistleblowing is a crime nowadays, but torturing people without trial is the norm. Kindof reminds me of communist Russia. That, and the overly militarized police force practicing 'civil forfeiture' and beating up college kids.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21551435 - 04/15/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Did you know some states are banning civil forfeiture unless the person is convicted of a crime? The liar who promised the 'most transparent administration ever' persecutes whistleblowers and blocks foia requests more than any other president.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Stonehenge]
#21551503 - 04/15/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, I have heard that civil forfeiture has been banned in some places. I thought Eric Holder had done something about it also, but I'm not entirely sure. I read about a police force that used civil forfeiture money to buy a fucking Zamboni! lol... they called civil forfeiture money 'pennies from heaven' to buy things that are 'nice'.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21552221 - 04/15/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Let him come home and have his trial
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: zappaisgod]
#21552248 - 04/15/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Let him come home and have his trial
Fuck that, drop charges and give him the medal he deserves!
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21552297 - 04/15/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Let him come home and have his trial
Fuck that, drop charges and give him the medal he deserves!
Exactly right! Zappa is the big govt supporter who wants a nanny state to tell everyone what to do. I used to think it was only the far left who supported that but other types of whackos support it too.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#21552740 - 04/15/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Let him come home and have his trial
Fuck that, drop charges and give him the medal he deserves!
If all he did was whistleblow, that'd be one thing. He revealed secrets that put our people at risk. That's unacceptable.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Enlil]
#21552753 - 04/15/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: If all he did was whistleblow, that'd be one thing. He revealed secrets that put our people at risk. That's unacceptable.
Which secrets are you referring to, exactly?
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