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Could there be a layer of perception beyond this which we exist in?
    #21541563 - 04/13/15 12:28 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Without explaining my whole theory on the way that the universe is created as an outward manifestation, an array of perceptional layers of existence, I'm going to attempt to propose a question to you all.

Through what I have been shown through psychedelics, and that which I've worked out through very deep sessions of thought I believe that the universe is simply an outward macrocosm of many different layers, all originating from one underlying force, 'the all' (God, whatever you want to call it). I went into a little more detail here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21491103.

Now, assuming that there are many different 'layers', different microcosms that we all stem from, is it really logical to assume that it is as linear as it seems?

What I mean by that, is this; If we are simply an emanation of an inward force, could it be that we are not the only 'physical end' to this branch? could there be different 'us'' manifesting in an alternate 'stem' from the 'origin'? (I'm simplifying this a lot because it's hard enough to explain as it is, but it's a simple enough way to put it while still keeping my ideas intact).

In another sense, if it is infact so linear, could there be further levels of perception even DEEPER than this world? I can't quite comprehend how that could work however It's definitely an interesting thought. If we can detach from this level of perception and exist as a rawer awareness, could we go in the other direction, or can we only really 'exist' in the final layer?

I dont know if anybody understands me here, but if they do I'd love your input, it's been on my mind lately and it's just an incredibly difficult thing to try and think about.

Edit: Something else I've thought about is the fact that we, as awareness', all exist in unison however exist on what appears to be the same level of perception. Does this show that it is not linear, and different levels can exist in parallel, and therefore different worlds, realities, can do the same?

Edit2: More rambling as I go deeper into thought, ignore if you're happy with the original statement. In regards to the previous edit: If awareness' can exist in unison, and can stem from one level of perception with billions of awareness' existing in unison, what if we went up a level and looked at the (to simplify as a way to imagine them, dont take this literally) 'awareness creation' level. If the awareness creator can push many outward awareness', then can this creation level not do the same for hem, creating maybe even billions of collections of awareness'? Billions of populations attached to their own physical plane of existence, it makes sense right?


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Re: Could there be a layer of perception beyond this which we exist in? [Re: nwalker248]
    #21541828 - 04/13/15 01:18 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

This was very, very wonderful to read; than you very much.

I would reply with more but I am off to be in nature now - am very grateful for this post and thank you so much for sharing!! :-)

Yes to most everything you said and will definitely be seeing you around in the future.  (I hope)!! :-)

There are essentially, infinite levels, and in the highest view, they are all acting at once. . everything in the world, in the universe, is acting at once.  I've seen this a few times and it seems to be the reason for coincidences, and other things. .


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Re: Could there be a layer of perception beyond this which we exist in? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21542171 - 04/13/15 02:47 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Billions of populations attached to their own physical plane of existence, it makes sense right?




That's how Santa Clause is all places at once.
If you have any experience with A. Muscaria, you may or may have not, you get the gist of the telepathy that goes on and its potential to produce Christ-MAS.

But nobody wants to hear voices and see things that can overtake the visual field forever.

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Re: Could there be a layer of perception beyond this which we exist in? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #21544836 - 04/14/15 01:08 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I think this space is an agreement between all of our consciousness' interactions.  Like billions of tiny eyes inside a giant eye we quite literally are the universe experiencing itself.  I think there very well could be different planes of existence and species that live there.  Why not?  And even their existence adds to the overconsciousness that seems to be pushing us further and further spiraling out into the grips of cold infinity.


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Re: Could there be a layer of perception beyond this which we exist in? [Re: nwalker248]
    #21545511 - 04/14/15 08:46 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

You might find this link interesting OP.

Planes of Correspondance

My teacher once said something along the lines of "God exists not in a horizontal direction, but in a vertical one." What he meant is that God is not found in time, but by penetrating deeply into the present moment. The mind creates the illusion of this reality. When we can learn to escape the mind and revitalise our spiritual senses, whole new levels of "reality" open up to us.


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.

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The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir

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Re: Could there be a layer of perception beyond this which we exist in? [Re: PocketLady]
    #21545553 - 04/14/15 09:01 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Out of body experiences and even just dreams are a great place to start exploring this question.


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Re: Could there be a layer of perception beyond this which we exist in? [Re: circastes]
    #21546390 - 04/14/15 01:14 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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If we can detach from this level of perception and exist as a rawer awareness, could we go in the other direction, or can we only really 'exist' in the final layer?




My take is that our final perception of the universe is somewhat like a subway train.

Where the front looking out over the tracks, is our alpha / in-the-world awareness. (final layer you're talking about).
We exist here most of the time, driving our train forward.

However, we CAN move through the train at any time.  We just have to take our awareness off of the tracks, and the direction we're moving.

As we move deeper in our brainstates, we move through the train. We can then see different perspectives out of the differing windows. (alpha moving into theta, delta).

We can see completely different viewpoints from different positions in the train. 

However....we're still on the same train.
And will always be on this train, headed in the same direction.

Meaning, we're still at the mercy of the "final layer"

Of course, thats where death comes in.
Death is a station.  To board a new train perhaps?? :confused:


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JUST LIKE ORCHIDS MIMIC THE BEES THAT POLLINATE THEM, MUSHROOMS MIMIC VARIOUS HUMAN ANATOMY.  THEY ARE OUR EVOLUTIONARY BIRTHRIGHT!! 


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Re: Could there be a layer of perception beyond this which we exist in? [Re: Holoverse]
    #21546838 - 04/14/15 03:03 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Yes (to Holoverse), we all eventually return to the Ocean of Being and Bliss, or the Source, or Reality. . . reality can only ever be divided in illusion, and if there's oneness that is true, then it's always true. .

The question is how soon do we wake up to our reality, and also how can we act in such as way that will ensure peace, prosperity for the planet, etc. . turning off the war machine, etc. . and protecting all species. .

If we have 1 billion people as population, we can all live like total royalty, and grow into and explore the divine consciousness and life for countless millennia. . .

OP:
'Edit: Something else I've thought about is the fact that we, as awareness', all exist in unison however exist on what appears to be the same level of perception. Does this show that it is not linear, and different levels can exist in parallel, and therefore different worlds, realities, can do the same?'

Yea - this is true; life is very non-linear. . we only think it is so because we were brought up this way of linear scanning. . .

Like the Holographic theory says, all is acting in tandem, at once, affecting each other; sometimes I get a glimpse of this quite powerfully, many times in fact. . . Alan Watts, if he's taken at his word, saw this holographic reality at its highest. . I had the same experience, too. . . where 'The elusive substance beneath all the forms of the universe is discovered as the immediate gesture of my hand.'

Since I felt this and when I did, I knew it to be true; I often notice that when similar things start to arise, I must be on the right track. . . when I start to feel like, once again, it is happening all over -- that all the world is awakening, and the infinite, divine peace, bliss, and consciousness is coming here to stay, Truth-consciousness, etc., that peace will win out, and we'll never have war again. . . then, I am fairly sure I am back in the right frame of mind, because when I felt the truth, all these things were there as well. .


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Re: Could there be a layer of perception beyond this which we exist in? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21547268 - 04/14/15 04:49 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I don't have time to properly reply to people but thanks for your responses everyone, glad that some people understood me :smile: There's been some great stuff posted here, I will reply in the morning. All the best.


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Re: Could there be a layer of perception beyond this which we exist in? [Re: nwalker248]
    #21552948 - 04/15/15 08:49 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

look forward to nwalker


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