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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21543378 - 04/13/15 06:34 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Estate tax. Perfectly plausible, and undeniably necessary.
Another one with his hand out for what other people earned. They were already taxed to the balls on their income. Why should they pay another round? Why shouldn't people be allowed to give what they earned after taxes to their progeny? You certainly don't deserve any cut.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21543394 - 04/13/15 06:35 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Luck is a spectrum. There is good, bad, and many places in between. Social mobility would be a common reality (And it has been in the past) if luck didn't play such a huge roll.
So, you DO think that society should compensate for luck. If that isn't seeking equal outcomes, I don't know what is.
Well, the government can, and to some extent does, compensate for luck. It is not to provide equal outcomes, it is to provide similar opportunities. You seem to think that opportunity and outcome are synonymous.
I agree. Perhaps the following video helps explain the difference between equal opportunity and equal outcome:
Equal opportunity is putting everyone in the front row. Equal outcome is moving everyone to the upper class.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#21543430 - 04/13/15 06:38 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Retard culture and retard genes are never going to elevate anybody.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: zappaisgod]
#21543443 - 04/13/15 06:39 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Another one with his hand out for what other people earned. They were already taxed to the balls on their income. Why should they pay another round? Why shouldn't people be allowed to give what they earned after taxes to their progeny? You certainly don't deserve any cut.
So you think people that inherit wealth deserve tax free income? While people that work for wealth should pay income tax? I don't agree with your sense of entitlement for the wealthy.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: zappaisgod]
#21543463 - 04/13/15 06:42 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Retard culture and retard genes are never going to elevate anybody.
Not everyone born into a retard culture is retarded, and not everyone born into a upper class culture is smart.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#21543501 - 04/13/15 06:47 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Another one with his hand out for what other people earned. They were already taxed to the balls on their income. Why should they pay another round? Why shouldn't people be allowed to give what they earned after taxes to their progeny? You certainly don't deserve any cut.
So you think people that inherit wealth deserve tax free income? While people that work for wealth should pay income tax? I don't agree with your sense of entitlement for the wealthy.
How is it tax free income? As I explained, they paid taxes on it multiple times already. When is it taxed enough, when there is nothing left?
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21543554 - 04/13/15 07:00 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Income should be taxed only once for each person who gets it.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#21543577 - 04/13/15 07:04 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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That would require a lot of tax cuts.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Enlil]
#21543631 - 04/13/15 07:16 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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How do you figure?
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#21543653 - 04/13/15 07:21 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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As it stands income is taxed both before it reaches the earner and after. At the very least, there are 3 separate taxes taken out at the federal level, and then some state taxes in most cases. In addition, most, if not all of that money is then taxed when it is spent, both to the spender and the person receiving the money.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Enlil]
#21543674 - 04/13/15 07:25 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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In addition to that, many states tax "intangibles" in addition to income tax. Meaning cd's, bank accounts, paid up insurance, stocks, etc get hit with an annual tax.
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#21543711 - 04/13/15 07:35 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Another one with his hand out for what other people earned. They were already taxed to the balls on their income. Why should they pay another round? Why shouldn't people be allowed to give what they earned after taxes to their progeny? You certainly don't deserve any cut.
So you think people that inherit wealth deserve tax free income? While people that work for wealth should pay income tax? I don't agree with your sense of entitlement for the wealthy.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#21543715 - 04/13/15 07:36 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Retard culture and retard genes are never going to elevate anybody.
Not everyone born into a retard culture is retarded, and not everyone born into a upper class culture is smart.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Enlil]
#21544115 - 04/13/15 09:00 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Income should be taxed only once for each person who gets it.
That would require a lot of tax cuts.
How do you figure?
As it stands income is taxed both before it reaches the earner and after. At the very least, there are 3 separate taxes taken out at the federal level, and then some state taxes in most cases.
It gets taxed once by several different entities. Fine.
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Enlil said: In addition, most, if not all of that money is then taxed when it is spent, both to the spender and the person receiving the money.
I said income should be taxed only once. Spending your money does not give you income.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#21544163 - 04/13/15 09:08 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Income is money. Money taxed at spending is income taxed.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: zappaisgod]
#21544194 - 04/13/15 09:16 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I don't agree with your sense of entitlement for the wealthy.
They deserve to receive the presents that their parents earned the right to give them.
So you think the rich deserve special entitlements, I don't. I think everyone should be taxed on income, especially people that haven't contributed to society for that money.
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zappaisgod said: Retard culture and retard genes are never going to elevate anybody.
Not everyone born into a retard culture is retarded, and not everyone born into a upper class culture is smart.
So?
So smart people born into a retard culture should be given an equal opportunity to succeed, in my opinion.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Enlil]
#21544207 - 04/13/15 09:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: Income is money. Money taxed at spending is income taxed.
It's not taxed as income.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#21544221 - 04/13/15 09:22 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Irrelevant what the tax is called. Income is taxed coming in and going out.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#21544244 - 04/13/15 09:28 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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'Fraid he's got ya there, fal. Sales tax is certainly a tax on what you've earned. It could also be money you did not earn like a loan. Its not a direct income tax but does it indirectly.
There are lots more ways they tax you than have been mentioned. Boats over a certain price carry an extra tax in many areas. Same with cars or personal property. You ran the gauntlet of feds and state vultures taking bites, hit with an intangible tax while you decide what to do with it or invest it in securities. Some banks in the world are charging negative interest.
So then after the greedy ones have finished feasting on your hard earned money, they can't think of another excuse to take any more bites so they reluctantly tell you you can spend it. But wait!! as the commercial used to say. "We have a tax when you spend it." So you grumble but pay off and buy your goods, what else can you do? "there, that's the end of it" you say to yourself. But wait!! now they have to tax the goods you own, depending on what they are. Is there no end to this tax bit?
No, then if there is anything left the tax man hasn't already taken when you die, they snatch it out of the mouths of your loved ones who you provided for in your will. They take a bunch. Is someone going to tell me next that the recipients of what the govt didn't take are supposed to pay tax on it again? Has the liberal establishment no shame at all?
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21544333 - 04/13/15 09:58 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: Income is money. Money taxed at spending is income taxed.
It's not taxed as income.
Irrelevant what the tax is called. Income is taxed coming in and going out.
'Fraid he's got ya there, fal.
He's playing a semantics game, and you fell for it. It's only taxed once as income.
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