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Offlinerecalcitrant
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red spored psilocybe availability
    #2154013 - 12/03/03 03:55 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

When the red spore psilocybe become available commercially, can I expect yall to let me know? Or must I frequent erowid?

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_mycology1.shtml


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Re: red spored psilocybe availability [Re: recalcitrant]
    #2154063 - 12/03/03 04:30 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

The information in the link is contradictory to a point.

"The redspore is a mutation of the PF Classic mushroom which appeared in Psylocybe Fanaticus' lab"

"If it is classified as an Agrocybe then the name should be Agrocybe mcphersonii. It would be the first published example of a psilocybian Agrocybe."

If the specimen was a mutant PF Classic...it is obviously a cubensis.

I doubt you will see this variety soon...I am sure if you frequent the "Sponsor's forum" you will hear of its release if and when it occurs. I would expect that a mutation of this sort would also be accompanied by other mutations which may make the mutant less desireable as a functional cubensis, but more as a collectors item...a rare one indeed.

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Re: red spored psilocybe availability [Re: recalcitrant]
    #2154126 - 12/03/03 05:54 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

It's quite naive to assume that it's a new species only because of different spore print color. He didn't say anything about the microscopic features, probably beacuse he didn't even look at them. This reminds me of an old issue that B+ is a new species.
If he's really going to wait until the confirmation of a new species then you should expect that this "species" won't be available for at least next 5 years.


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Re: red spored psilocybe availability [Re: recalcitrant]
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Re: red spored psilocybe availability [Re: Anno]
    #2154141 - 12/03/03 06:17 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Workman made a very good point there!


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Re: red spored psilocybe availability [Re: zeronio]
    #2160578 - 12/05/03 06:37 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

hilarious!
The idea is laughable.
And it demonstrates a profound ignorance of the basics of speciation and mycobiology.
No species in the real term is a stable entity - each type is really just a jumble of genetic pheno-type expressions suited to different environments - this is an adaptive strategy. SOme are more dominant than others as they are the most reliable expression for the normal environmental parameters that the mushroom experiences.
Some of these phenotypes serve no real purpose and are simply just strange - There is a plant a friend was telling me about that - when grown in certain pH soils, has yellow leaves.
Just because a mushroom strain throws off a weird-arse pheno-type expression and has red spores instead of purple-brown doesnt change its delineation in any way - its still the same mushroom, just a different variant of the same. And ofcourse, these expressions arent stable, they are variable and depend on all sorts of factors.
For speciation to occur, it would require a distinct variable in the environment to appear and force two distinct phenotype expressions to these two variable to become more and more common and entrenhced, eventually breaking the camels back and delineating. These phenotype differences would be significant enough to warrant reliance on them - red spores is not reliable or beneficial in anyway.
And finally, agrocybes are delineated by most mycologists on a stronger basis than spore colour alone - to consider this obvious psilocybe an agrocybe because of an unstable genetic trait probably more a result of genetic degradetion through a very selective line of cultivation is just plain ridiculous...


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