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Lophophora Williamsii Seeds Legality Mexico?
    #21534020 - 04/11/15 04:27 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

The subject line basically said it all, I am in touch with a vendor that claims he has sent it to here a couple of times but I just want to be sure I am not breaking any laws here.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seeds Legality Mexico? [Re: uncommonsence]
    #21534049 - 04/11/15 04:35 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Just looked at it on erowid
"Peyote is Schedule I in Mexico, although a few indigenous tribes are allowed to harvest it. Peyote is protected as an endangered species in Mexico and harvesting is controlled"

Scheduled I means :" it is illegal to manufacture, buy, possess, or distribute (sell, trade or give) without a DEA license" .


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seeds Legality Mexico? [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21534056 - 04/11/15 04:37 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I am aware of this but this does not delve in to the possession of seeds. Just as it is illegal to manufacture Cubensis yet spores or more than easily attainable and legal to posses might I add.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seeds Legality Mexico? [Re: uncommonsence]
    #21534061 - 04/11/15 04:40 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Just order the dang seeds:lol:

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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seeds Legality Mexico? [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21534067 - 04/11/15 04:42 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Lol I might just end up doing so, I thought I would give this a shot in order to ease this mind of mine from worry.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seeds Legality Mexico? [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #21534070 - 04/11/15 04:43 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Doesn't stop the many American collectors from buying seeds.  How tight is your customs, and do they just confiscate it?  In the US, they just nab your seeds and you get an empty package, you don't even get punished if they find the seeds.  Most packages sneak through anyway.  :shrug:


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seeds Legality Mexico? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #21534083 - 04/11/15 04:47 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Well im not to familiar with the laws down here as you can probably tell. I did inquire about spore possession to a friend of mine and he re assured me tat customs wasn't too hip to recognizing them but im ordering mine from a friend within the country so im not too worried about that.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seeds Legality Mexico? [Re: uncommonsence]
    #21534087 - 04/11/15 04:48 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

The seeds however will be entering the country from an outside vendor.


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seeds Legality Mexico? [Re: uncommonsence]
    #21534154 - 04/11/15 05:12 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

you probably can, as it is easy sneaking in but they are still illegal, if it was what you asked about

"Peyote Meaning all parts of the plant presently classified botanically as Lophophora williamsii Lemaire, whether growing or not, the seeds thereof, any extract from any part of such plant, and every compound, manufacture, salts, derivative, mixture, or preparation of such plant, its seeds or extracts"


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seeds Legality Mexico? [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21534175 - 04/11/15 05:21 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Well then, Noted..... Wish me luck! :smile: Lol


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Re: Lophophora Williamsii Seeds Legality Mexico? [Re: uncommonsence]
    #21534403 - 04/11/15 06:36 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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The seeds however will be entering the country from an outside vendor.




miss-labeling of seeds happens, it is legal plant most parts of the world anyway. Seeds are hard to ID from many other species seeds. It's illegal to get seeds abroad because of CITES in most countries, not because of species in that sense. But your country have banned whole species it seems.

But overall.. It's basically illegal to import anythign than paper to USA without customs declaration. (Says my country post office info how to send envelope to USA)

So it doesn't matter are there astrophytum, aztekium, trichocereus or lophophora seeds, it's illegal but most likely never found in mail envelope system. Others are illegal because of CITES, lophophora is illegal because of mescaline and CITES.

US Customs have enough job with drug smugglers and human traffickers.. Whole fking ~2000 miles of border and mail with it is hell of a lot job. Imagine how much envelopes there are moving, seeds inside one wont show up so easy. Also lots immigrants send money to south/mid-america in envelopes and so on. Seeds are hard to find from all mail.

If sender doesn't have handle good marihuana and then seeds to contaminate them. It's scenario where actual envelope may be got opened.

I don't know how likely seeds stopped at customs but I think it's very unlikely if sender haven't been in touch with drugs and contaminated the seeds with smell of drugs. It may cause someone open envelope.

All envelopes go trough customs without declaration (even envelope may have seeds inside) ..They don't need to be declared if content of envelope is paper only. Other stuff of anykind USA have banned to import without customs declaration.

Some add customs declaration but just don't write envelope contains seeds.

If evelope (for some reason) will be opened at customs and there are label for seeds.. I think you are then facing prosecution.:shrug:

I don't know how often customs open envelopes but there are so much of stuff customs can't find few seeds easy without any pre-knowledge of seed-envelope. There are also lots of envelopes without declaration at all.

Easiest way would be to get seeds inside your country but I think it's criminal there, huh?

We have only "mescaline plants" as illegal drug list.. Not a single species listed to law here. Grey area zone plants as many say them here.. "legal" and "illegal" same time without being "illegal" because of there are not a single species listed as banned(excluding CITES but only outside EU) :lol:

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