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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: starfire_xes] 1
#21532060 - 04/11/15 09:11 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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You have lost your god damn mind. 'Political Correctness' is a means by which we marginalize ignorant statements, reduce racist and sexist language, and present ideas in a civilized way, that is conducive to logical argument and political discourse that works for everyone.
Right-wingers running around with all of their hatred (Toward gays, blacks, immigrants, etc.), fear (Of gays, blacks, immigrants, their government, their neighbor, atheists, etc.), and bigotry (Same general targets, let's call them gays, non-white, or otherwise middle-class/poor people), want to bring non-PC language into their arguments. They're gnawing at the bit, but in our civilized society, we don't allow such vile speech into the intellectual sphere.
The problem isn't that we don't have a midget for president, the problem is that if a midget ran for president, they would be unlikely to win, regardless of their talking points. We already had a retarded downsy president, just before Obama, so check that one off your list. It still amazes me that the man in charge of our nuclear weapons couldn't even pronounce the word.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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A friend of mine made a very good point the other day: White people, as a whole, have never NOT been allowed to be racist.
Zappa, for example, grew up in a time where he could slap a black kid and dare him to do something about it. Nowadays, he doesn't have the freedom to be such a xenophobe and it irks him, and others like him.
White people complaining about PC is like the shitty girlfriend who's crying because you made her feel bad for cheating on you.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21532160 - 04/11/15 09:40 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not exactly. It's more like a girlfriend crying because her boyfriend blames her for his grandmother cheating on his grandfather.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Enlil]
#21532208 - 04/11/15 09:52 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: Not exactly. It's more like a girlfriend crying because her boyfriend blames her for his grandmother cheating on his grandfather.
It's a little of both. Maybe if she cheated on all of his family members, and instituted a culture of subservience.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Enlil]
#21532248 - 04/11/15 10:03 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you think that the remnants of Slavery do not exist anymore? Have you ever played monopoly? Try playing, but give the other 3 players double the starting money, and then give yourself $0, and a mortgage. How long do you think it will take you to win?
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#21532252 - 04/11/15 10:05 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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The core problem with your comparison is that your scenario is about a girlfriend who is culpable. In the race debate, no one alive is culpable for slavery, and very few are culpable for the oppression that we saw in the 50's and 60's.
People don't like being punished for the actions of others. It is fundamentally unfair to do so. Sure, there are valid arguments that the African-American of today is still suffering from the disenfranchisement of his/her ancestors, which is also fundamentally unfair.
Whenever you try to fix unfairness with more unfairness, people are not going to be happy about it. The reality is that the past is unfixable, and any attempt to restore the world to what it would have been if the past were different is an exercise in clairvoyance.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Enlil]
#21532357 - 04/11/15 10:25 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Actually from time to time wealth has to be redistributed, as it always has in the past. Every economic system concentrates wealth in one way or another, very few are quite as bad as Capitalism. Feudalism comes to mind, but in a short time they will be indistinguishable.
This is a form of remediation that African Americans will be partaking in, the next time around, which will surely be quite soon. If we get another Republican president, wealth will be further concentrated at an increasing velocity, and the whole thing will topple over once again. It will be tragic, and all of that good shit, but quick and dirty is sometimes best. If we get a real Liberal in office, they may prolong the inevitable, but it is inevitable. Wealth will be spread around. The concept of a billionaire class is not realistic, and will not stand the test of time.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21532374 - 04/11/15 10:29 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice rant, but completely irrelevant to Ecstatic's post or my response thereto.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Enlil]
#21532402 - 04/11/15 10:34 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wealth redistribution is 'fixing unfairness with more unfairness'.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: starfire_xes]
#21532406 - 04/11/15 10:34 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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>Correct me if I am wrong, but did we NOT have a treaty with Ukraine, the promised them support and protection if they would give up their nuclear arsenal?
Got the text showing exactly what support and protection under what circumstances? Don't forget whatever deals we made were made with the old regime which was overthrown in a coup orchestrated by usa. Was overthrowing their leaders part of "support and protection"?
They had a revolt by ethnic Russians in crymea, I'm quite sure the terms of any agreement do not include stopping the will of the people.
>Sure the US has done a lot of bullshit. Their politcally motivated agenda, which i don't agree with is not the textbook definition of terrorism.
Going in a country shooting down the people while trying to pick winners and losers is not terrorism? Trying to impose democracy on our terms is not terrorism? You believe the media too much.
>And, lets talk about IRan. Remember the Iran-Iraq war?
Its nice that you served in the military. At least you aren't a chicken hawk like (cough) certain others. But iran - Iraq is ancient history now. We could go back quite a ways to find more examples of usa terrorism, imperialism, and regime change like when we overthrew the shaw but lets focus on the near term.
>My policy is to believe we should stay the fuck out of all that crap. It is also my policy to believe that if they want to fuck with us, we fuck their shit up hard and fast. None of this 'trickling in ground troops and 'advisors' until suddenly we are involved in a huge war.
Now you are making good sense again. We did not stay out of all that crap and should have. The boy king has made it a badge of honor to mess with as many countries for trumped up reasons as possible. Talk about a chicken hawk!!
We have been guilty of regime change for a long time. Is that not terrorism? We went in Afghanistan when it was painfully obvious there was no hope of winning that war and little to no reason to go in. That was the 'tard bush's stupid move, obumbles stupid move was to keep it going.
What if texas decided they wanted to secede and Russia sent in arms, tanks, etc to "help" them? Would that not be terrorism? Wouldn't usa be justifiably mad about it?
woof >Actually from time to time wealth has to be redistributed, as it always has in the past. Every economic system concentrates wealth in one way or another, very few are quite as bad as Capitalism. Feudalism comes to mind, but in a short time they will be indistinguishable.
Sorry but that's bullshit. You don't just arbitrarily "redistribute" other people's money and property. I assume you want to keep yours? Change the system so the rich can't fuck people over, sure. But don't just say anyone with over x amount of money must give the overage to the govt to do with as they please meaning cronyism at its worst. Possibly higher taxes on the super rich, take the cap off ss contributions, a few other tweaks but not a commie style takeover of all assets and handing them out to those who are most likely to support those in power.
The gop is as bad as the dems, you may think the dems are almost perfect but they are just as crooked but pander to a slightly different base. Vote third party.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21532410 - 04/11/15 10:35 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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And? That has nothing to do with my post or Ecstatic's. We're talking about people's reactions to, and opinions about, such redistribution...not the necessity or inevitability of it.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21532774 - 04/11/15 12:13 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Right-wingers running around with all of their hatred (Toward gays, blacks, immigrants, etc.), fear (Of gays, blacks, immigrants, their government, their neighbor, atheists, etc.), and bigotry (Same general targets, let's call them gays, non-white, or otherwise middle-class/poor people), want to bring non-PC language into their arguments. They're gnawing at the bit, but in our civilized society, we don't allow such vile speech into the intellectual sphere.
Yes, because calling an Islamic extremist an Islamic extremist is "vile speech." You're out of your mind.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21532794 - 04/11/15 12:18 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: A friend of mine made a very good point the other day: White people, as a whole, have never NOT been allowed to be racist.
Zappa, for example, grew up in a time where he could slap a black kid and dare him to do something about it. Nowadays, he doesn't have the freedom to be such a xenophobe and it irks him, and others like him.
White people complaining about PC is like the shitty girlfriend who's crying because you made her feel bad for cheating on you.
"I know I messed up (for a few centuries) in the past, but why do you have to make me acknowledge it?! Wahhhh!"
Why do you think modern whites should have to pay the price for actions of whites in the past?
There are plenty of legitimate cases in which it is obvious PC has gone way too far.
-Matt Taylor shirt freak out -Obama not calling the terrorist attacks in France OR more recently Kenya, "islamic extremism"
Those are just two instances on a long list of utter stupidity caused by political correctness.
It's also funny how you get your ass utterly kicked in a discussion about the topic which this thread was made about, so you randomly bring up racism, and actually display your own racism.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Webster10]
#21532801 - 04/11/15 12:20 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Webster10 said: It's hilarious that the liberals in this thread are putting all of their faith in Obummer despite the sand king making it perfectly clear no form of an acceptable deal has been reached, and that he is pessimistic about a deal ever being reached.
So you're saying we shouldn't try? We should just start another war that we can't possibly afford?
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Webster10 said: The sand king even said he is unsure if he will participate in the negotiations up until the deadline.
What difference does it make who negotiates if everyone agrees to the terms?
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Webster10 said: What about the sand king saying that he won't allow any "snap inspections" of their nuclear program? Should we just ignore that as well?
Of course not. Who said we should? Seriously - who said we should accept a bad deal?
If we can't agree on favorable terms, then the negotiations fail. But let's at least try to avoid another $trillion dollar war.
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Webster10 said: I really do think that the liberals in this thread honestly believe obummer will go to Iran, shake the sand kings hand with a smile and it will be over like that. Hilarious!
Only if favorable terms are agreed upon. You really need to stop making shit up about the other side.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21532806 - 04/11/15 12:21 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Do you think that the remnants of Slavery do not exist anymore? Have you ever played monopoly? Try playing, but give the other 3 players double the starting money, and then give yourself $0, and a mortgage. How long do you think it will take you to win?
Your understanding of the world at large is obviously extremely skewed from reality.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said: Why do you think modern whites should have to pay the price for actions of whites in the past?
Why do you think modern blacks should have to pay the price for actions of whites in the past? 
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Webster10 said: There are plenty of legitimate cases in which it is obvious PC has gone way too far.
I agree.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Webster10]
#21532845 - 04/11/15 12:31 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Do you think that the remnants of Slavery do not exist anymore? Have you ever played monopoly? Try playing, but give the other 3 players double the starting money, and then give yourself $0, and a mortgage. How long do you think it will take you to win?
Your understanding of the world at large is obviously extremely skewed from reality.
Please explain what you think he misunderstood. He's absolutely right that it's nearly impossible to win at Monopoly if you start at a huge disadvantage. And blacks today ARE starting at a huge economic disadvantage.
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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So you're saying we shouldn't try? We should just start another war that we can't possibly afford?
I have never said any of that. Of course I think we should try, but only after we deal with Iran's misdoings pertaining to terrorist support. We should not be making a deal with a country that is actively funding gruesome terrorists who are burning Yemen to the ground. As if funding the shitheads who are destabilizing the country wasn't enough, now they're sending naval ships to further destroy that country's chance for peace. I think we should at least deal with all of that first before releasing their economy from our grips. Besides, under the current circumstances, I don't think a deal will be reached.
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What difference does it make who negotiates if everyone agrees to the terms?
You're that bad at reading? I didn't mean that he personally will stop participating in the negotiations. The sand king is expressing doubt that he, and his country will continue to negotiate until the deadline. That means that he might pull out soon because our terms are too "unreasonable" for them.
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Of course not. Who said we should? Seriously - who said we should accept a bad deal?
If we can't agree on favorable terms, then the negotiations fail. But let's at least try to avoid another $trillion dollar war.
Some people in this thread have said that the deal is a good one. Iran not allowing snap inspections, which the sand king has already said is a non-negotiable point, makes it a bad deal. I am an advocate of pulling out of the middle east entirely, no warmongering here.
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Only if favorable terms are agreed upon. You really need to stop making shit up about the other side. 
Like you made up that I wanted another war? You seemed to be an advocate of the deal so far because you have been linking articles that say a CIA official thinks it's a good deal and such. I have not made anything up
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Webster10]
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Right-wingers running around with all of their hatred (Toward gays, blacks, immigrants, etc.), fear (Of gays, blacks, immigrants, their government, their neighbor, atheists, etc.), and bigotry (Same general targets, let's call them gays, non-white, or otherwise middle-class/poor people), want to bring non-PC language into their arguments. They're gnawing at the bit, but in our civilized society, we don't allow such vile speech into the intellectual sphere.
Yes, because calling an Islamic extremist an Islamic extremist is "vile speech." You're out of your mind.
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calling an Islamic extremist an Islamic extremist
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Re: The Morning Moonbat Post--The Negotiations with Iran Going down In Flames...... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Why do you think modern blacks should have to pay the price for actions of whites in the past? 
They don't though, in fact they are rewarded for it via incentives for colleges that admit a certain amount of black students and via staff quotas for large corporations. Not to mention they have a lowered required score when applying to several government agencies including the FBI. Do you want to employ a bunch of incompetent people as FBI agents just because of their race? I am an advocate of a level playing field, sadly though reality isn't a level playing field and some people feel the need to make up for past racism with more racism.
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