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feminism and the patriarchy
    #21529482 - 04/10/15 05:21 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Real talk guys... the general consensus among top sociologists seem to be that we live in a patriarchy where women are at a much greater disadvantage and men hold all the power.

How come? It really doesn't seem this way from where I am standing. But if all the scholars feel this is the case, then I must be the one who is ignorant.

I am taking a feminist study class this semester so I have been thinking about this topic a lot. How do you guys feel about the idea that we live in a patriarchy where women are being oppressed while men are laughing it up with all the power?


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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: evenbreak] * 4
    #21529488 - 04/10/15 05:23 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Like this.

:facepalm:



Really hard.

This is going to be an excellent 20+ page argument.

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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: Rustifer] * 1
    #21529507 - 04/10/15 05:29 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Rustifer said:


This is going to be an excellent 20+ page argument.



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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: Rustifer]
    #21529512 - 04/10/15 05:30 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Rustifer said:
Like this.

:facepalm:



Really hard.

This is going to be an excellent 20+ page argument.




I understand this could be an emotional topic.. but I hope people don't just start arguing.

We are living in a patriarchy. Even though I don't currently see it, that must be a fact since that is the general consensus of top scholars. I'm just hoping someone could explain why this is the case.


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It has been reported that some victims of torture, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not wake up. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they weren’t being tortured. The only way that they realized they needed to wake up was a note they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to wake up. Even then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and please wake up.

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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: Rustifer]
    #21529518 - 04/10/15 05:32 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Sigh. It's just silly to think equality of any sort exists including gender. Reality is that I'm considered greater than some guys and girls by a certain view point and I'm also a lot less than those same guys and girls from another view point. Lots of girls could be considered superior than me as well as guys so every time I hear about equality I just face palm


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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: Adolin] * 3
    #21529526 - 04/10/15 05:34 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Lets get this started.

Almost all of its concepts are subjective, non-falsifiable and/or non-repeatable.

Its very existence contradicts its own theory of female oppression.

All underlying theories and terminology of feminism is evidence of an adversarial mindset between the genders. Terms like patriarchy they claim simply describes a system that is unfair to both sexes. Yet they insist on calling it patriarchy which at least implicitly lays the blame at men's feet. Their entire worldview thrives on us vs them, on a gender war and on showing who is better and who is evil.

Almost every feminist you'll ever encounter is either unable or unwilling to live up to their own standards they demand from others. Be it sexism, accountability or anything else.

Feminism perpetuates female inferiority and thus hinders women's empowerment. Being an autonomous adult, requires taking responsibility for one's actions. But feminists do everything to protect women from the consequences of their choices.

Like religion, feminism enjoys an immunity from criticism from academic circles. People are afraid to scrutinize it and feminists won't scrutinize it. As a result, it has no hope to ever be anything but a cult.

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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: evenbreak]
    #21529545 - 04/10/15 05:40 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

There is no such thing as a top sociologist.  They are all bottom feeding morons who couldn't cut it in a real science.


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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: evenbreak] * 5
    #21529641 - 04/10/15 06:02 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Probably a troll thread but you show me one instance where a female in 2015 USA is somehow prohibited from doing something a man does and ill bite.

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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: Nova]
    #21529682 - 04/10/15 06:14 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

amen nova..preach it brother


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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: evenbreak]
    #21529711 - 04/10/15 06:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

evenbreak said:
Quote:

Rustifer said:
Like this.

:facepalm:



Really hard.

This is going to be an excellent 20+ page argument.




I understand this could be an emotional topic.. but I hope people don't just start arguing.

We are living in a patriarchy. Even though I don't currently see it, that must be a fact since that is the general consensus of top scholars. I'm just hoping someone could explain why this is the case.




"general consensus of top scholars"

:huxleyfacepalm:

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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: qman]
    #21532258 - 04/11/15 10:06 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: drege] * 3
    #21532298 - 04/11/15 10:14 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)


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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: DidYouSetItToWumbo] * 2
    #21532595 - 04/11/15 11:21 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Im wondering when feminists will start pushing for mandatory enlisting in the draft for women.


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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: Rustifer]
    #21532729 - 04/11/15 11:55 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Rustifer said:
Like this.

:facepalm:



Really hard.

This is going to be an excellent 20+ page argument.




Muh patriarchy


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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: TheMovement]
    #21532730 - 04/11/15 11:55 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

On a more real note:

There is sexism in the world, it is just a fact of life.  This street goes both ways though.  Sure, in some households, women may be expected to do the dishes and take care of the children.  Then men are expected to take out the trash, clean the gutters, fix the holes in the roof, mow the lawn.  <-- Sex roles

Men are still expected to be the bread-winners for a family.  They are still expected to be the head of households, but we all know that women hold that real power.  Women wanted to join the workforce and so they did: Now they get to work shitty 40 hr/week jobs just like the rest of us : Nursing, secretarial work, bureaucratic work etc.,

Men get stuck with the shit jobs.  How many women do you see on a construction site?  How many women do you see digging graves, collecting trash, working oil rigs, on fishing boats, landscaping.

The answer is few to none.  You want your cake, but you want to eat it too.  IF you truly desire equality, then get down and dirty with the men.  Prove to the world that you really can do what we can do.  I know you can, you have just been conditioned not to.

What is the effect of this on the family though?  Women and Men both want to work their lives away now, and children end up being raised in front of television screens, or by nannies who barely speak English, and then start the indoctrination in school.  The result of a two income household is leading to the decline of family values.

Now I am not saying there isn't a problem with unconscious sexism, that is still rampant in our society.  BUt is holding a door open for a woman really sexist?  I hold the door open for everyone you feminazi bitch. 

We are moving towards a society of conscious sexism to unconscious sexism.  Women seem to have more political rights in the US than men.  Women get priority over child care when couples split apart.  Women do not have to sign up for the draft.  Women are seen as incapable of rape, and only very rarely does a woman get prosecuted for domestic abuse.  So yes there is sexism, but this type of sexism is favored towards women.

As long as we live within the gender system, there will always be unconscious biases we make towards either group.  So maybe we should attempt to move towards a society in which gender is no longer a thing.  But that would be simply absurd, because Gender must be taken into account I.R.T policies such as maternal leave.  I also think there should be a Paternal leave as well.  Taking care of the children is one of the most important things a society can do.

The people are the oppressors in cases such as this, public opinion can greatly affect how one looks at oneself.  RIght now it is more acceptable for women to dress in what was deemed as men's clothing, than it is for a man to wear a dress.  I would love to wear a dress, they are so fun and flowy and beautiful, but I would be shunned by society if I did that.

There are many aspects to look for when asking the question of whether or not a society is sexist.  Here are the three ways I propose we go about looking at the topic:

1. How are things, I.R.T. gender, in society right now.
2. How ought things to be I.R.T. gender? (ideals)  How would the ideal society look?
3. Instrumentalities/means: How do we get from where we are, to the ideal? 

These are the questions we should be looking at.

If you are interested in whether you, yourself are unconsciously racist or sexist, I would recommend taking the Implicit association test. 

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/selectatest.html


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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: evenbreak]
    #21532829 - 04/11/15 12:28 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

evenbreak said:
Quote:

Rustifer said:
Like this.

:facepalm:



Really hard.

This is going to be an excellent 20+ page argument.




I understand this could be an emotional topic.. but I hope people don't just start arguing.

We are living in a patriarchy. Even though I don't currently see it, that must be a fact since that is the general consensus of top scholars. I'm just hoping someone could explain why this is the case.




Why don't you explain it to us?


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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: evenbreak]
    #21532952 - 04/11/15 12:53 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

your 'top scholars' think that statistics, which are often handpicked to favor their point of view, and drawing from the populations of their choice are an actual representation of the real world.

culturally, western countries are pretty forward thinking when it comes to equal rights. This is still not a 50/50 split, and may never be, but its hard to say we are living in a forced patriarch society. Women can choose what they want to do here, any time they want to. Nothing will ever change the fact that there are sociopaths (male and female) who try and make others their doormats; that is an unfortunate fact of life.


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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: setb]
    #21532979 - 04/11/15 12:59 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

setb said:
Quote:

Rustifer said:
Like this.

:facepalm:



Really hard.

This is going to be an excellent 20+ page argument.




Muh patriarchy







God, I watched the video where miss thing up there was featured in and was appalled.


Third wave feminism does not sit well with me. I consider myself a secular humanist/egalitarian, I think that there are certain parts of the world where women are treated horrendously and it's in those places where things are so disportionate between genders that feminism is really accomplishing big things. Research has shown that when un-industrialized nations that provide women with access to education have greater success because those values and teachings are highly likely to be retained within the community and past down to future generations and those are places that make me recognize the importance of the feminisms core value.


Unfortunately I feel that third-wave feminism has essentially gone full circle and that they are actually furthering the victim mentality among young women and that the culture of hyper-sensitivity(TRIGGER WARNING) and excessive political correctness that crosses over into ostracizing minority demographics does way more harm than good.

I think it's important that there was is a specific group geared towards issues that women are unique in facing - but I think men should have the same kind of open and forthcoming discussion because they too have unique issues and suffer from discrimination that is unique to being male.


I wouldn't touch a women's studies class with a ten foot pole, personally. I think most women who identify as feminist are not radical and merely believe in independence and equality, but in academic circles feminism gets really really fucking crazy.

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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21532998 - 04/11/15 01:03 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I'm so triggered, I might go cry about it on tumblr and send out some angry tweets.

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Re: feminism and the patriarchy [Re: evenbreak]
    #21533021 - 04/11/15 01:10 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

evenbreak said:
Real talk guys... the general consensus among top sociologists seem to be that we live in a patriarchy where women are at a much greater disadvantage and men hold all the power.





I have more faith in what scientologists have to say

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