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Proper pf cakes and care
    #21515199 - 04/07/15 02:22 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Im not trying to stir anything up. Im just trying to clear a few things up. This is how I do my pf cakes and set up my chamber... I sed way to many complications on fruiting chamber builds and specs. And way too many people getting frustrated. First , this is what has worked very well for myself, second, it might vary but ive never had issues what so ever.

I first drill about ten holes about mid cake height  on the long sides of the chamber, or melt them with a screw driver. I like to have limited air exchange up until the point of pinning to retain high humidity. I only fan once a day also till I sed the first pins. I lay the cakes after their dunk in clean lids . Then lay some damp Vermiculite and coir around the base. Then lay about a 1/4 " on the top. These two areas are all that I mist when I do mist wich is only once a day due to not having crazy air exchange in my tub. This works wonders and I do not have to fret over my cakes constantly. Once I see the first pins, and they all have appeared, I start giving good air exchange.. I like to give them good humidity and high co2 up to this point and find I get better pinsets doibg this. The more air I gave in the early stages, the smaller amount of pins I got on the cakes. Air exchange after pins have formed was about 3 to 5 times a day with no more further misting.
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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21515223 - 04/07/15 02:29 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

And id like to add , thise are all from multispoor, they arent from an isolate or clone. I just found something that works well for me that I can get the most out of a pf cake. I like to keep things simple. I still do cakes once ina while, but moved on to mono`s currently. Need to start playing with agar but my laziness has prevented me from doing so... I use pf cakes to spawn to bulk quite often. Six cakes to a 40q tub. Usually just a mix of Coir/v Vermiculite and a bit if straw. I do love the look of a fully flushed cake though. The strains were South American and Texans I believe.


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21515244 - 04/07/15 02:37 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting use of vermiculite around the base of the cakes. I wonder if that could be contam vector?!? 

Almost appears from the pics as though it colonized the vermiculite and started to grow mushrooms.


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: Fungus Mountain]
    #21515317 - 04/07/15 02:53 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Never gave me any issues, and the coir/vermiculite was sterilized before applied. Just like a casing. They pin from were the casing is applied if thats what you want to call it


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: Fungus Mountain]
    #21515364 - 04/07/15 03:01 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Interesting use of vermiculite around the base of the cakes. I wonder if that could be contam vector?!? 

Almost appears from the pics as though it colonized the vermiculite and started to grow mushrooms.



Yeah why the verm? The myc is putting it's energy into colonizing the verm and not fully into fruiting.


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21515383 - 04/07/15 03:04 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I do what works, and as you can see, they have no problem putting any energy into fruiting :-)


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21515387 - 04/07/15 03:06 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Like I said , just a method that has given me the best results using pf cakes. Thats all. Just throwing my method out there


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21516895 - 04/07/15 08:56 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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just a method that has given me the best results using pf cakes.




Did you try cakes without the verm at the base? I'm curious why this works too now that I'm trying it, hahaha.... but I wasn't getting any results with just the roll so we shall see!


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: sun.speck]
    #21517610 - 04/07/15 11:38 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Yes , I tried that along with a few other methods my first couple go arounds. I got mushrooms but not many . I saw a couple posts a long while back about double end casings and went from there. Just tweeked my methods a bit and stuck to what was giving me the best results with cakes. Keeping fresh air to a minimum in the early stages , then increaing air exchange after pinning always worked out well. I definitely noticed a difference in the number of pins & fruits from adding the casings. Rolling gave more of a sporatic pin set rather then a dense flush. Justa couple small things learned over time. I have a dozen cakes of Thai that im going to grow out as cakes when they finish in a week or so. I miss cakes for some reason... But I love the simplicity of a good mono grow now that ive opened up from my set ways. Agar now will be my new test. Need a good fruit to start a couple dishes.


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21517642 - 04/07/15 11:46 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

For future reference, rolling the cake in verm is more considered a casing then setting it in a pile of verm.... Nice shrooms though obviously it works for you. :thumbup:


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21517652 - 04/07/15 11:50 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah those cakes are awesome.


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: Organic_Magic]
    #21517665 - 04/07/15 11:54 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks guys , appreciate the compliments. Im very eager to get into agar. I want to see how much difference it can make in a project... I also really like the look of a colonised isolated plate. Beautiful!


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21517683 - 04/07/15 11:58 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Once you realize how easy agar is you'll be wondering why you didn't try it earlier.


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21517714 - 04/08/15 12:08 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I have the agar, just dont have the dishes.. I could probably get by using 4 or 8 oz jelly jars but making transfers wont be the easiest . Ill have to order some plates.


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21517741 - 04/08/15 12:14 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I would start here


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21519127 - 04/08/15 11:32 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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I have the agar, just dont have the dishes.. I could probably get by using 4 or 8 oz jelly jars but making transfers wont be the easiest . Ill have to order some plates.




I have fuzz! Especially near the bottoms of the cakes where the verm is. In the two weeks I've have my KSSS in the chamber they haven't had this sort of growth at all until I added the verm like you suggested, now I'm expecting pins for sure. Thank you!

Also, I got a pack of 5 glass dishes on Amazon for under $9 free 2 day shipping with Prime. I got some scalpels and an alcohol lamp there too....


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: sun.speck]
    #21519638 - 04/08/15 02:20 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Thats great! Im glad things worked out well. Be carefull with misting, a little bit goes along way. This is why I like limited air exchange in the early stages, less holes in the chamber gives you better humidity and a terrarium type environment without needing to mist constantly... Its a delicate balance between too much moisture and not enough but once you get it right , its so simple.

I've had chambers with holes all around but found it takes a ton of misting to keep thing at the right level and way too many people over mist. A light mist once a day with a good chamber is more than enough , sometimes every other day. I end up covering most holes until Fruits form , then open everything up . Its just like a mono tub, you dont want a million holes all around you tub, you want the right amount to retain humidity and some air exchange.

With a Sgfc, it works the same way. If your going to be fanning manualy, you dont need a billion holes all over your chamber IMO & exp. Ive found it hinders the environment thats needed in the pinning stage. The trick is to keep misting at a minimum if you don't have a ton of air holes. I like eight to ten along the long side of the chamber on the front and back. This limits the amount of guess work due to less misting and not over watering , wich I see to be a problem with alot of new grows. Again, this is my experience, and works great for myself, im glad that you are having success :-)  On another note, I checked on my Panaleos trays today after giving them a mist last night and noticed a Pin this morning !  The substrate is pasteurized straw mixed with Vermiculite for moisture. I see more successful grows using a small mono tub when cultivating Pans` so I will be moving twards that route after obtaining a few prints if all goes well. Pans are a bit tricky on moisture and air exchange and it seems people have great success using small tubs with a thin substrate. Pearlite is a pain anyways lol ill keep you updated My Red boy mono is also looking fantastic, should be seeing knots at the end of the week . Cheers


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21519725 - 04/08/15 02:41 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds great. Yes it's difficult to know just how much I should be misting, etc. because I have two cakes on flush two that have several pins and then I have 5 of the brand new B+ cakes, one of them has 2 mushrooms that started in the jar and the rest have zero pins ...I almost should have used my other bin and taped the holes up..... I mean I still could technically but, LYSOL! aaaaahhhhhh. hahaha. What would you do in my situation? Still tape up the holes even with all the pins and two mushrooms? Or just leave it? I'm at home all day anyway so manual fanning and misting the perlite and sides of the chamber more often doesn't really bother me. When I mist the cakes it's only when the verm is dry and i don't mist the sides, just the top and the bottom.


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: sun.speck]
    #21519796 - 04/08/15 02:57 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

If it was me, I would tape up half the holes on each side, like I said I have about 8 holes on each side on my chamber. But They seem to be doing well. If you end up making a chamber later to change things up, you can do that and try my method. If you dont mind misting , it will be fine. I just like more humidity in my chamber rather than more air ... When I want more air, I fan more but absolutely hate having to mist more than necessary. It causes alot of issues with some people. Id rather retain humidity that have to constantly mist. Just my 2 cents though for what its worth :-)


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Re: Proper pf cakes and care [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21519912 - 04/08/15 03:33 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Makes sense! I just misted the chamber not even and hour ago and it's already dry. lol I think I'm gonna grab some tape and see what happens. I have no fear!


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