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jfrancois9922
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HELP! PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore
#21511232 - 04/06/15 05:06 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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6 cakes, 3 B+, 3 Golden Teacher - First flush was great, no contamination, huge harvest, everything was a-okay.
After harvesting all fruits, I re-dunked my cakes in cold water for 24 hours, but then the cakes were very blue. I tried the cotton swab test, and nothing came off so I just assumed that this was natural bruising.
I put the cakes back in the FC, and mycelium started to grow on the cakes, so they turned pretty much white again. 2 days later, one cake had a huge harvest, so I picked. But the remainder of the cakes started growing very strange mushrooms. The caps were open from the get-go, and almost inverted.
Today they were all fully grown and some mushrooms looked fine, but some were very strange, inverted caps, and one has what looks like green veins running through the cap, with a slimy substance on top.
Any thoughts? I'm drying the ones that came out fine and didn't have slime, but I'm nervous about the other ones.
Cap stuck to stem?

Hulk Mushroom? Blue/green veins, slimy cap



Cake with inverted caps


Inverted Cap

Edited by jfrancois9922 (04/06/15 05:33 PM)
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jfrancois9922
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: jfrancois9922]
#21511323 - 04/06/15 05:29 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Upon further examination, it looks like all my cakes have cobweb mold. Should I just toss the entire harvest, even the ones that look okay? I already tossed the cakes and cleaned out the FC, spraying it heavily with Lysol.
Edited by jfrancois9922 (04/06/15 05:34 PM)
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: jfrancois9922]
#21511415 - 04/06/15 05:52 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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jfrancois9922 said: Upon further examination, it looks like all my cakes have cobweb mold. Should I just toss the entire harvest, even the ones that look okay? I already tossed the cakes and cleaned out the FC, spraying it heavily with Lysol.
Looks like you just misted your cakes 10x too much to me. Way too wet got bacteria growing on the caps cus you soaked them. I highly doubt you have cobweb its the most over diagnosed thing by nubes. And Lysol is shit
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: bodhisatta]
#21511462 - 04/06/15 06:01 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Looks like you just misted your cakes 10x too much to me. Way too wet got bacteria growing on the caps cus you soaked them.
Can't be that, I don't mist, have a good setup that keeps the humidity at 99% without misting. I just fan 2-3 times a day
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bodhisatta said: I highly doubt you have cobweb its the most over diagnosed thing by nubes.
Hopefully it wasn't. Didn't want to take a risk anyways, doesn't matter either way, just wanted a few shrooms, and I got plenty from the first flush. Ha ha.
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bodhisatta said: Lysol is shit
Interesting, you're the first person I've seen say that.
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: jfrancois9922]
#21511500 - 04/06/15 06:06 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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jfrancois9922 said:
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bodhisatta said: Looks like you just misted your cakes 10x too much to me. Way too wet got bacteria growing on the caps cus you soaked them.
Can't be that, I don't mist, have a good setup that keeps the humidity at 99% without misting. I just fan 2-3 times a day
Sounds like an automated system, they are notorious for soaking and saturating things. Also how do you know its 99% RH? 99% RH is only needed at the surface of the substrate. If the whole system was that humid it suggests things are gonna be soaked. You don't have enough FAE in your setup and there is no need to fan if your not misting. In fact there is no need to fan if you have really good FAE.
At any rate the pics don't lie. You have pseudomonias eating your slimy caps. Saturated.
Also, Lysol is garbage. Its over priced and doesn't do what you think it does.
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21511526 - 04/06/15 06:10 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not automated really. Got perlite on the bottom, holes all around the tub. Two cups filled with water and air stones attached to a air pump. There's always condensation on the sides and top of the tub and I have a hygrometer that typically reads between 95%-99%. I fan just because IDK if the FAE is good enough, there's only about 10 small holes, so I fan just in case to make sure there's no carbon dioxide build up.
Gotcha - thanks for the tips. Threw out that shroom. What about the others with the inverted caps? Those good or nah?
Edited by jfrancois9922 (04/06/15 06:16 PM)
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: jfrancois9922]
#21511537 - 04/06/15 06:12 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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They are fine if you dry them. Even the one with the eaten cap would be okay to dry and brew in tea. You need to get what your fruiting in dialed in tho cause you gonna be real disappointed if ya don't.
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21511546 - 04/06/15 06:14 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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99% humidity setups = there's your problem.
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: bodhisatta]
#21511556 - 04/06/15 06:15 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: 99% humidity setups = there's your problem.
I don't know how the fuck that became the gospel, I know its old info but who the hell ever bought into it in the first place 
I know RR said it in relation to the microclimate on the substrate surface but that hardly is the same thing as saturating the hell out of the air in a FC.
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: bodhisatta]
#21511575 - 04/06/15 06:18 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol, it's weird, had no problems the first flush. There's so much conflicting info out there, but almost everything I read said keep as close to 99% as possible. I'll have to figure out a way to get the humidity down for the next batch.
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21511603 - 04/06/15 06:25 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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questions for the OG's: what is the benefit to an automated system?? I really like misting and fanning my cakes... I don't see any of the TC guys using them unless it in a large area.. I just don't see why people make it more complicated than it has to be then complain when they don't fruit right.. 
I use a 4" can fan after I mist for a quick air change and that's it!
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: 2shoes]
#21511624 - 04/06/15 06:29 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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DONT TRUST YOUR HYGROMETER!! Unless it has been calibrated this week.. your cakes will tell you everything you need to know!
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: 2shoes]
#21511654 - 04/06/15 06:35 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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newbie2shoes said: questions for the OG's: what is the benefit to an automated system??
The only benefit to an automated system like a greenhouse is that you can really dial it in for good FAE if you know what to look for. This is great for edibles and most exotics, things that need lots of FAE. They are good if you want to run lots of trays and don't feel like making a dozen SGFCs. Trays are easier to clean than tubs. But they are temperamental, difficult to dial in, and not really something a novice should try until they know what a healthy substrate looks like.
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21511700 - 04/06/15 06:46 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
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newbie2shoes said: questions for the OG's: what is the benefit to an automated system??
The only benefit to an automated system like a greenhouse is that you can really dial it in for good FAE if you know what to look for. This is great for edibles and most exotics, things that need lots of FAE. They are good if you want to run lots of trays and don't feel like making a dozen SGFCs. Trays are easier to clean than tubs. But they are temperamental, difficult to dial in, and not really something a novice should try until they know what a healthy substrate looks like.
Okay because I see all the sub 100 post folks trying these nifty gadgets with no luck... I come from cacti world and PF cakes with a PC are a BREEZE with my $4 spray bottle and whatever DVD case I grab (changed to the can fan since I smacked my light a few times)!!! I do sub out BRF for rye flour...
Thanks a lot pasty. You always have good info!!
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: 2shoes]
#21511711 - 04/06/15 06:49 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21512287 - 04/06/15 08:34 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm a bit of a noob, so perhaps I don't quite get all the terminology here... But, how is it that this thread is labeled as a "Tek"?
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: Green Bastard]
#21512311 - 04/06/15 08:37 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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he clicked the tek symbol
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Re: PF Tek, Second Flush, These Don't Look Like Mushrooms Anymore [Re: cronicr]
#21512319 - 04/06/15 08:38 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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better?
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