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Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states
    #21499545 - 04/04/15 04:55 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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DENVER (AP) — Alarmed by a rash of explosions and injuries caused when amateurs make hash oil, lawmakers in Colorado and Washington are considering spelling out what's allowed when it comes to making the concentrated marijuana at home.

The proposals came after an increase in home fires and blasts linked to homemade hash oil.

In Colorado, at least 30 people were injured last year in 32 butane explosions involving hash oil — nearly three times the number reported throughout 2013, according to officials with the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area, a state-federal enforcement program.

Washington's legal marijuana law in 2012 did not permit the production of hash or even edibles at home; it technically remains a felony even to use weed purchased at a state-licensed store to make brownies. Nevertheless, many people have done it.

Federal prosecutors in Seattle have brought charges in five cases where hash oil operations blew up, including at one apartment complex where an 87-year-old former mayor of Bellevue died after sustaining an injury while trying to escape a fire that started in another unit.

People make hash oil at home for the same reasons they make beer, wine or booze — to save money, make it to personal taste, or as a hobby.

Though there are safer methods, such as soaking marijuana in a vegetable-based glycerin, one common practice is to force a solvent such as butane or propane gas or liquid through leafy cannabis, a process that separates its psychoactive material from buds, leaves and stems.

After the extraction, the hash-maker then releases the gas or boils off the liquid, leaving behind marijuana's psychoactive material in a potent goop. The resulting product — called hash oil or shatter or wax in even more concentrated form — can be used in vaporizers or added to foods without the grassy taste raw pot imparts.

Without proper ventilation, though, the gases can pool in a room, where a spark from an appliance can trigger a severe explosion, knocking buildings off their foundation in some cases.

Washington lawmakers are proposing to allow limited home hash production, though butane or other explosive gases would be banned except for use by commercial producers. Safer methods would be OK, and adults would be allowed to use cooking oil, butter or similar substances to make edibles.

"We have a little problem here with people blowing themselves up," said Washington state Sen. Ann Rivers, the Republican sponsor of that state's measure. "Anything we can do to stop that from happening."

In Colorado, where hash regulations vary by jurisdiction, a bill up for its first vote next week in a House committee would establish a similar ban on the use of explosive gases to make hash.

"People who make it at home, they can do so with alcohol or methods that are safe," said Colorado state Rep. Yeulin Willett, a sponsor of the bill.

Colorado's largest jurisdiction, Denver, banned some types of home hash production late last year. A similar ban is under discussion in the state's third-largest city, Aurora.

But some marijuana activists argue that when pot is legal, concentrating it at home should be legal, too. They compare the hash explosions to fires caused by turkey fryers and call it a problem with a new product that is best addressed by consumer education.

"Sure, there have been numerous dangerous explosions and fires from idiots who are determined to blow themselves up participating in activities which need considerable safety precautions," said Timothy Tipton of the Rocky Mountain Caregivers Cooperative.

Tipton insisted that butane extraction is perfectly safe with proper ventilation or when done outside.

Supporters of home production also say Colorado's law is on their side. The state's marijuana legalization measure specifically included concentrated marijuana and all its production methods.

Just last month, the Denver district attorney dropped a case against a man facing felony charges of manufacturing marijuana concentrate and fourth-degree arson. The man, Paul Mannaioni, was charged last year after a hash oil explosion sent him and two other people to a hospital.

Mannaioni challenged the legality of Denver's hash oil ban, prompting Colorado's former attorney general to say the marijuana amendment allows limits on home production.

The charges were later dismissed after prosecutors said they couldn't tie him to the explosion beyond a reasonable doubt, leaving the legality of the city's hash oil ban unresolved.

Some marijuana advocates said a statewide ban would invite more legal challenges.

"It's a patient's right to make their medicine," said Jason Warf of the Southern Colorado Cannabis Council.

But Colorado lawmakers backing the homemade limits said the state should err on the side of caution.

"This is something we need to nip in the bud," Willett said.



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Re: Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states [Re: trampis] * 1
    #21499546 - 04/04/15 04:56 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Be safe folks, don't give the prohibitionists more reasons and headlines to support their bogus world view.

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Re: Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states [Re: trampis]
    #21499864 - 04/04/15 07:06 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Fucking morons. Common sense would knock out 95 percent of those accidents.


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Re: Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states [Re: Matt87] * 2
    #21500353 - 04/04/15 08:43 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Common sense doesn't exist to most people though. There's already way too much bho and pho here in Oregon. I'd honestly rather see more quality pressed hash and bubble hash, not to mention I don't want someone unfamiliar with lab work mixing solvents and thc that I'm going to smoke. Get a fucking education and a license first! I don't want some naïve and ignorant kid giving me lung cancer because regulations are shit and there's no chain of custody on the product to track where it came from.

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Re: Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21501421 - 04/04/15 09:53 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Back in my day we made hash with panty hose.  Buck up.

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Re: Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21501700 - 04/04/15 10:18 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Common sense doesn't exist to most people though. There's already way too much bho and pho here in Oregon. I'd honestly rather see more quality pressed hash and bubble hash, not to mention I don't want someone unfamiliar with lab work mixing solvents and thc that I'm going to smoke. Get a fucking education and a license first! I don't want some naïve and ignorant kid giving me lung cancer because regulations are shit and there's no chain of custody on the product to track where it came from.



Top level bho can be made at home for under 1000 bucks initial investment.
Explosive, heavier than air gasses are inherently dangerous, but anyone who enjoys concentrates should make it themselves if possible... FOR safety! (safety of your health)


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Re: Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states [Re: Matt87]
    #21501738 - 04/04/15 10:25 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Common sense doesn't exist to most people though. There's already way too much bho and pho here in Oregon. I'd honestly rather see more quality pressed hash and bubble hash, not to mention I don't want someone unfamiliar with lab work mixing solvents and thc that I'm going to smoke. Get a fucking education and a license first! I don't want some naïve and ignorant kid giving me lung cancer because regulations are shit and there's no chain of custody on the product to track where it came from.



Top level bho can be made at home for under 1000 bucks initial investment.
Explosive, heavier than air gasses are inherently dangerous, but anyone who enjoys concentrates should make it themselves if possible... FOR safety! (safety of your health)



I'd rather buy from a dispensary and know I'm getting a certain strain that's been tested for molds and solvents. NOBODY can smoke a whole plate of shatter in even a year's time. The only reason for making your own is to sell. If your yield is shit, then you probably shouldn't be wasting your time. Non med states can do their own, but med states have a safer route of production. I care more about what goes in my lungs than some trashy 20 something kid catching himself on fire. Gives the industry a bad name too that could backfire on everyone.

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Re: Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21501783 - 04/04/15 10:37 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Just like with everything there is "that guy"


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Re: Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states [Re: passifloracaerulea] * 1
    #21502104 - 04/04/15 12:25 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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passifloracaerulea said:
Common sense doesn't exist to most people though. There's already way too much bho and pho here in Oregon. I'd honestly rather see more quality pressed hash and bubble hash, not to mention I don't want someone unfamiliar with lab work mixing solvents and thc that I'm going to smoke. Get a fucking education and a license first! I don't want some naïve and ignorant kid giving me lung cancer because regulations are shit and there's no chain of custody on the product to track where it came from.



Top level bho can be made at home for under 1000 bucks initial investment.
Explosive, heavier than air gasses are inherently dangerous, but anyone who enjoys concentrates should make it themselves if possible... FOR safety! (safety of your health)



I'd rather buy from a dispensary and know I'm getting a certain strain that's been tested for molds and solvents. NOBODY can smoke a whole plate of shatter in even a year's time. The only reason for making your own is to sell. If your yield is shit, then you probably shouldn't be wasting your time. Non med states can do their own, but med states have a safer route of production. I care more about what goes in my lungs than some trashy 20 something kid catching himself on fire. Gives the industry a bad name too that could backfire on everyone.





In California where I live, dispensaries sell a WIDE range of BHO. A significant amount of it is is horribly underpurged, burnt, or generally nasty shit, and yet they sell it to people who don't know better. It is a real problem. Then they charge the good golden safe stuff for like $50 a gram or $40 if you're really lucky. Wanting to make BHO at home just for your own use is a very plausible circumstance one might find themselves in given these facts.

Moral: The BHO in dispensaries is NOT regulated and is not inherently safe AT ALL.

Also, I need to call bullshit on not being able to smoke a plate of shatter in a year. Well not bullshit, I'm sure you're being genuine, but let me give you some perspective. I can dab a gram in a day or less if I'm fiending... I could probably get my tolerance up to be able to dab a pound of wax a year if I had the means or desire to do so. It'd be especially easy to do that in a year if I shared dabs with my friends, which I would.

There are TONS of patients who dab just as much if not more BHO than me, so the fact that dispensaries aren't selling exclusively good product is a real safety and ethics issue. A reasonable response would be to make your own, until it becomes regulated. Even then, home production would be far more cost-effective for heavy users.

Edited by greensp4rk (04/04/15 12:38 PM)

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Re: Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states [Re: greensp4rk]
    #21502142 - 04/04/15 12:37 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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passifloracaerulea said:
Common sense doesn't exist to most people though. There's already way too much bho and pho here in Oregon. I'd honestly rather see more quality pressed hash and bubble hash, not to mention I don't want someone unfamiliar with lab work mixing solvents and thc that I'm going to smoke. Get a fucking education and a license first! I don't want some naïve and ignorant kid giving me lung cancer because regulations are shit and there's no chain of custody on the product to track where it came from.



Top level bho can be made at home for under 1000 bucks initial investment.
Explosive, heavier than air gasses are inherently dangerous, but anyone who enjoys concentrates should make it themselves if possible... FOR safety! (safety of your health)



I'd rather buy from a dispensary and know I'm getting a certain strain that's been tested for molds and solvents. NOBODY can smoke a whole plate of shatter in even a year's time. The only reason for making your own is to sell. If your yield is shit, then you probably shouldn't be wasting your time. Non med states can do their own, but med states have a safer route of production. I care more about what goes in my lungs than some trashy 20 something kid catching himself on fire. Gives the industry a bad name too that could backfire on everyone.





In California where I live, dispensaries sell a WIDE range of BHO. A significant amount of it is is TERRIBLE and yet they sell it to people who don't know better. It is a real problem. Then they charge the good safe stuff for like $50 a gram or $40 if you're really lucky.

Moral: The BHO in dispensaries is NOT regulated and is not inherently safe AT ALL.

Also, I call bullshit on not being able to smoke a plate of shatter in a year. I can dab a gram in a day or less if I'm fiending... I could probably get my tolerance up to be able to dab a pound of wax a year if I had the means or desire to do so.



You're right about the bho/pho regulations. They don't test for solvents YET, but that should be able to fix by boycotting untested product. Nobody in a store wants to hear that their product isn't up to par. It's easy to leave bad ratings online for them too stating the issue. At least it's in a position to be regulated as well as the herb is. It would be nice to find a dispensary that tested for fertilizer salts, molds, excess npk, pestide residues etc. Sure you can smoke a plate of shatter in a year, but I still find myself smoking more herb for the full effects rather than just pure thc. A gram a day to yourself can only be done if you're doing globs, which wastes most of the oil by melting down the nail. The nail surface can only combust so much area at a time. I see ungodly amounts of reclaim from smoking just a few grams per month, probably 30% and I take small dabs. It was at least double the waste when I did massive gobs.

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Re: Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #21502152 - 04/04/15 12:41 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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passifloracaerulea said: You're right about the bho/pho regulations. They don't test for solvents YET, but that should be able to fix by boycotting untested product. Nobody in a store wants to hear that their product isn't up to par. It's easy to leave bad ratings online for them too stating the issue. At least it's in a position to be regulated as well as the herb is. It would be nice to find a dispensary that tested for fertilizer salts, molds, excess npk, pestide residues etc. Sure you can smoke a plate of shatter in a year, but I still find myself smoking more herb for the full effects rather than just pure thc. A gram a day to yourself can only be done if you're doing globs, which wastes most of the oil by melting down the nail. The nail surface can only combust so much area at a time. I see ungodly amounts of reclaim from smoking just a few grams per month, probably 30% and I take small dabs. It was at least double the waste when I did massive gobs.




The waste is only a problem with small nails. You need to have a massive nail, which I do. Of course not everyone dabs/should dab that much, but people do, which is all that needs to be true in order to argue that someone might want to make their own. I also reclaim my reclaim and use it for edibles when I'm not too lazy to just dump the alcohol down the drain.

A boycott would be good, but education on the matter needs to be widespread first. People are far too ignorant about what safe stuff looks/tastes/burns like. And even the good stuff is technically untested. Reliable BHO testing doesn't exist for dispensaries. You can have it tested yourself by a lab, but dispensaries can make up whatever numbers they please.

Edit: sorry for editing so much. I'm never happy with what I've written already.

Edited by greensp4rk (04/04/15 12:53 PM)

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Re: Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states [Re: greensp4rk]
    #21502413 - 04/04/15 01:05 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Whenever I go into a dispensary and buy edibles, I always make sure to tell them that most of their products don't have the amounts they say they do and make sure to tell them which ones do. I haven't found any mold in a single batch of herb yet so I believe the testing is authentic. Almost every single batch of local herb on the street I've ever seen for the last 25 years has had visible mold somewhere. I know for a fact that the dispensaries here turn away a lot of herb because of the molds. I wish there were standards for everything else.

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    #21502425 - 04/04/15 01:07 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I agree, the flower testing is genuine. It's the BHO I don't trust one bit.

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    #21502430 - 04/04/15 01:08 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I'll bet they don't test bho/pho because there's always going to be some residual solvent left over. I just want to know that it's as minimal as the standards set if there are any yet.

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    #21502456 - 04/04/15 01:18 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure that that's the only reason why they don't test it. It sounds like you're saying they don't test it because they don't want to scare people by showing them that the good stuff still has solvent in it. (I'm also not 100% sure as to how much really remains after 48 hours of vacuum.)

There are no minimum standards yet. You should come see some of the crap dispensaries sell as medicine in CA, maybe it's different where you are so you aren't realizing quite how unethical it is. But here, scumbag dispensaries sell some really, really bad BHO next to good BHO. Practically unpurged, some of it is. If they tested both of them, the results would freak people out. But kids who just got their doctors rec still buy it, and they get really high and think it was some dank shit. You can't convince a bunch of broke high school and college kids they need to spend 40-60 a gram on safe bho when the other stuff is only $20 and they still get ridiculously high. There is WAY too much of a mindset of ignorance among the majority of these people. It's hard to convince them it's a problem and to start boycotting.

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Re: Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states [Re: greensp4rk] * 1
    #21502470 - 04/04/15 01:25 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

It's the same here in Oregon, although there are a few well established companies who have consistent product, at least one I can think of. I got some of the prettiest wax I've ever seen from them. It has millions of tiny light reflecting crystals. Never seen anything like it.

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    #21502477 - 04/04/15 01:26 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

There are also established extraction companies here, they're just sold next to the shit with a huge price differential. I wonder if we see the same companies, since I'm not sure how much of our BHO is even made here. Heard of HGH extracts in oregon? They have bho that sounds like what you just described... Sells for like $80 a gram. Which is fucked up.

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    #21502502 - 04/04/15 01:39 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Headline is the one I'm thinking of and it still sells next to crap at the same price of $30 gram. Sometimes the dispensaries make their own and sell it for $20 gram, but I've some of the nastiest crackling crud from their methods.

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Re: Hash oil explosions prompt proposed changes in pot states [Re: trampis]
    #21502519 - 04/04/15 01:46 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Tipton insisted that butane extraction is perfectly safe with proper ventilation or when done outside.










What about closed loop systems?  I'm sure some poorly made one could explode.  It probably wouldn't be a firey explosion though.  I'm against letting butane out into our atmosphere.  You get to re-use it in a closed loop system, and it doesn't fill your home with explosive gases.  I feel that people at home should find another way to make a concentrate, if they can't get their hands on a closed loop system.

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    #21502523 - 04/04/15 01:48 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Tipton insisted that butane extraction is perfectly safe with proper ventilation or when done outside.










What about closed loop systems?  I'm sure some poorly made one could explode.  It probably wouldn't be a firey explosion though.  I'm against letting butane out into our atmosphere.  You get to re-use it in a closed loop system, and it doesn't fill your home with explosive gases.  I feel that people at home should find another way to make a concentrate, if they can't get their hands on a closed loop system.



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