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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: Stonehenge]
#21497536 - 04/03/15 06:18 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stonehenge said: I guess then if he had displayed a stick it would mean recommending a beating for blacks. What else could it mean?
They're going full retard on college campuses again, Duke proved itself a total joke sometime ago, remember http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case?
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: qman]
#21497565 - 04/03/15 06:25 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't even get how they can say it was race related unless he did it on mlk day or something. Pretty sure lynching whas been a popular method of exectution for people of all races in the past.
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: qman]
#21497586 - 04/03/15 06:30 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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>No. You gave no first amendment right to not be expelled from a private university.
That is not what I said and duke takes the govt's loot so must abide by the constitution.
Duke is a private institution. It doesn't matter if they get some funding from the government. That is not the standard for what constitutes state authority. If it were, everyone who received a social security check would be required to not restrict someone's speech. Old people wouldn't be able to remove salesmen and Jehovah's Witnesses from their porches.
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: luvdemboomers]
#21497591 - 04/03/15 06:31 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemboomers said: I don't even get how they can say it was race related unless he did it on mlk day or something. Pretty sure lynching whas been a popular method of exectution for people of all races in the past.
You have to be willfully ignorant not to understand the what the noose represents in the south
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: koods]
#21497646 - 04/03/15 06:49 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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TEMPLAR PALADIN said: He should be reimbursed his money for being forced to miss classes he is paying for.
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luvdemboomers said: I don't even get how they can say it was race related unless he did it on mlk day or something. Pretty sure lynching whas been a popular method of exectution for people of all races in the past.
You have to be willfully ignorant not to understand the what the noose represents in the south
And you "know" this how exactly? You are about as far away as possible. I'm not complaining. A noose has nothing to do with negroes any more than a stick does or a ladder.
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: Stonehenge]
#21497665 - 04/03/15 06:53 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I definitely know nothing about the south, but here it would be ridiculous to see a noose and think 'he hates black people!' I'm pretty sure all sorts of people have been executed or offed themselves that way... the race thing wouldn't have occurred to me, but then again, there's like 10 black people in my city
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: zappaisgod]
#21497672 - 04/03/15 06:54 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: He shouldn't be banned. He should be named.
Named in what sense?
"Officials won't release the students name, citing confidentiality rules"
You get arrested for a DUI your name is in the paper. College kids are adults. Fuck 'em, treat 'em like adults. Maybe they'll start acting like adults.
Let him deal with his peers. The entire notion of university being a safe place from shitty ideas is 100% against its mission. Fucking kindergarten for wimps who can't launch. These assholes are ruining the university for actual people who could benefit in favor of losers. They are doing it for a check. The Academy/Industrial complex.
Agreed.
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: koods]
#21497688 - 04/03/15 06:59 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemboomers said: I don't even get how they can say it was race related unless he did it on mlk day or something. Pretty sure lynching whas been a popular method of exectution for people of all races in the past.
You have to be willfully ignorant not to understand the what the noose represents in the south
I wouldn't be surprised if the person who put up the noose was some kind of activist or sjw looking to stir controversy. Something similar happened here. Stupid thing to do regardless.
Also, many many white people were lynched in the old south- lots of republicans and other union sympathizers, etc.
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: Adden]
#21497696 - 04/03/15 07:00 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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TEMPLAR PALADIN said: He should be reimbursed his money for being forced to miss classes he is paying for.
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: Stonehenge]
#21497707 - 04/03/15 07:03 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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You have to be willfully ignorant not to understand the what the noose represents in the south
And you "know" this how exactly? You are about as far away as possible. I'm not complaining. A noose has nothing to do with negroes any more than a stick does or a ladder.
I'm closer than you are. I could drive to duke in four or five hours.
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: koods]
#21497713 - 04/03/15 07:05 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Like I said, if you refuse to recognize the implication of a noose hanging from a tree in American culture (especially in the south) you are being willfully ignorant. You are not being honest.
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: koods]
#21497728 - 04/03/15 07:09 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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>I'm closer than you are. I could drive to duke in four or five hours.
You don't know where I am and probably are confused about where you are.
>Like I said, if you refuse to recognize the implication of a noose hanging from a tree in American culture (especially in the south) you are being willfully ignorant.
You seem to think everyone is a brainwashed leftists. Not everyone is.
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: Stonehenge]
#21497740 - 04/03/15 07:12 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know why you would be confused.
It says where I am right there
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: koods]
#21497753 - 04/03/15 07:15 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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When someone decides to attend a university, they are agreeing to abide by the code of conduct the university administration sets forth. Within the code book is a warning of the consequences which the student will face if they refuse to do so. No one is forcing anyone to attend university. If they do not wish to face the consequences of their actions, than they really ought to think a bit harder about the actions they take. If they do not agree to the code of conduct the university sets forth, then they should not go to that university.
This isn't rocket science.
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: DeathSpider]
#21498142 - 04/03/15 08:28 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh sure, then lets have everyone sign away all their rights when they go to school or get a job or go into a bar, etc. No need for any rights since we have obumble and holder looking out for us.
koods, you told me a while back you were in oztralia. If you came here thinking it was less repressive, maybe. maybe not
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: koods]
#21498213 - 04/03/15 08:50 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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>No. You gave no first amendment right to not be expelled from a private university.
That is not what I said and duke takes the govt's loot so must abide by the constitution.
Duke is a private institution. It doesn't matter if they get some funding from the government. That is not the standard for what constitutes state authority. If it were, everyone who received a social security check would be required to not restrict someone's speech. Old people wouldn't be able to remove salesmen and Jehovah's Witnesses from their porches.
It is listed as private and public/state run how the hell does that work?
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: Stonehenge] 2
#21498230 - 04/03/15 08:55 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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We aren't talking about going to a bar or a shop here. I have no idea where you are even going with that crap.
Going to university is a privilege you have to earn. You aren't signing away all your rights. You are simply agreeing to act like a civilized and proper human being, meaning you aren't going to be doing stupid shit that any intelligent person would deem obscenely inappropriate. Just like you are agreeing to not plagiarize, cheat on a test, or steal lab equipment.
I'll put it in an even more simpler way: they are agreeing to teach you, and provide you with a decent learning environment, just as long as you agree not to act like a dick. Tying nooses to a tree, where anyone with a set of working brain cells would know it was done with the intent to be as offensive as possible, falls into the "You're acting like a dick" category. Which means you are breaking your promise to the school, therefore you shall face the consequences. This is how civilization works.
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Edited by Enlil (04/03/15 09:28 PM)
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: DeathSpider] 1
#21498338 - 04/03/15 09:28 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Going to university is a privilege you have to earn. You aren't signing away all your rights. You are simply agreeing to act like a civilized and proper human being, meaning you aren't going to be doing stupid shit that any intelligent person would deem obscenely inappropriate. Just like you are agreeing to not plagiarize, cheat on a test, or steal lab equipment.
I'll put it in an even more simpler way: they are agreeing to teach you, and provide you with a decent learning environment, just as long as you agree not to act like a dick. Tying nooses to a tree, where anyone with a set of working brain cells would know it was done with the intent to be as offensive as possible, falls into the "You're acting like a dick" category. Which means you are breaking your promise to the school, therefore you shall face the consequences. This is how civilization works.
"agreeing to act like a civilized and proper human being"
That's very open to interpretation at the end of the day. Is getting drunk and singing highly sexist and racist rap music obscene? Will black students also get expelled for such behavior? I doubt it.
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Edited by Enlil (04/03/15 09:29 PM)
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: qman]
#21498444 - 04/03/15 09:43 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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qman said:
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Going to university is a privilege you have to earn. You aren't signing away all your rights. You are simply agreeing to act like a civilized and proper human being, meaning you aren't going to be doing stupid shit that any intelligent person would deem obscenely inappropriate. Just like you are agreeing to not plagiarize, cheat on a test, or steal lab equipment.
I'll put it in an even more simpler way: they are agreeing to teach you, and provide you with a decent learning environment, just as long as you agree not to act like a dick. Tying nooses to a tree, where anyone with a set of working brain cells would know it was done with the intent to be as offensive as possible, falls into the "You're acting like a dick" category. Which means you are breaking your promise to the school, therefore you shall face the consequences. This is how civilization works.
"agreeing to act like a civilized and proper human being"
That's very open to interpretation at the end of the day. Is getting drunk and singing highly sexist and racist rap music obscene? Will black students also get expelled for such behavior? I doubt it.
Mod edit: removed quoted flaming
No, it is not open to interpretation. If a black student were to do something like what this student is being accused of, they'd be dealt with in a similar manner.
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Re: Student banned for displaying a noose [Re: DeathSpider]
#21498453 - 04/03/15 09:46 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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DeathSpider said:
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qman said:
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DeathSpider said:
Going to university is a privilege you have to earn. You aren't signing away all your rights. You are simply agreeing to act like a civilized and proper human being, meaning you aren't going to be doing stupid shit that any intelligent person would deem obscenely inappropriate. Just like you are agreeing to not plagiarize, cheat on a test, or steal lab equipment.
I'll put it in an even more simpler way: they are agreeing to teach you, and provide you with a decent learning environment, just as long as you agree not to act like a dick. Tying nooses to a tree, where anyone with a set of working brain cells would know it was done with the intent to be as offensive as possible, falls into the "You're acting like a dick" category. Which means you are breaking your promise to the school, therefore you shall face the consequences. This is how civilization works.
"agreeing to act like a civilized and proper human being"
That's very open to interpretation at the end of the day. Is getting drunk and singing highly sexist and racist rap music obscene? Will black students also get expelled for such behavior? I doubt it.
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No, it is not open to interpretation. If a black student were to do something like what this student is being accused of, they'd be dealt with in a similar manner.
no, they wouldn't. And if the stars and moon lined up just right and they were, we would never hear about it.
Edited by luvdemboomers (04/03/15 09:47 PM)
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