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Salvia. Evil Spirits Or Misunderstood Beings?
    #21496526 - 04/03/15 01:48 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

So yesterday I took another salvia trip and opened my self up to the beings within the realm. I shared with them my troubles and they had sympathy for me. I felt like all of them kept coming to get a look at me and I had some profound introspective thoughts. The elves were all linked together and they danced around and tried to cheer me up. I felt like they were my friends. They were so real! it was insane how they really just wanted to know who I am and what I go through. I have done some reading on this topic and I found some guy who said that when you smoke salvia the beings are manipulating you and want to gain access to your physical body. Now ever since smoking salvia my hppd has been very salvia like. I see faces in things easily and at night shadows remind me of these beings. I feel like they are always here even though I can't see them I know they exists within my reality. Could salvia actually be evil? I highly doubt it but I am a very spiritual person and now the possibility of evil spirits is in my head. Salvia to me is one of the most enlightening substances ever and surpassed mushrooms which I love deeply. Has anyone else experienced such things?


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Re: Salvia. Evil? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #21496558 - 04/03/15 01:56 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Terrance McKenna?


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Re: Salvia. Evil? [Re: Shroom Kitty]
    #21496586 - 04/03/15 02:01 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Are you asking if I heard that from Terrance or what I am saying is similar to Terrance? My ideas are always compared to his lol.


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Re: Salvia. Evil? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #21496647 - 04/03/15 02:21 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't experienced salvia myself, after doing some reading on it I've decided it's not for me.

In a sense it creates an opposite effect then that of shrooms. It creates a dysphoria as opposed to the euphoric feelings we can have on shrooms. That would explain the "evil" feelings and experiences perceived under it's influence.
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Re: Salvia. Evil? [Re: GhettoShroom]
    #21496668 - 04/03/15 02:27 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Salvia. Evil? [Re: GhettoShroom]
    #21496678 - 04/03/15 02:29 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

You may be on to something.... Iboga/Ibogaine also agonize the 2 "dysphoric" opiod receptors, and from everything I have heard it is a very unpleasant experience.


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Re: Salvia. Evil? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21496694 - 04/03/15 02:33 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

your Hunter S. Thomson avatar is amazing!


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Re: Salvia. Evil? [Re: GhettoShroom]
    #21496804 - 04/03/15 02:57 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Always good to hear from you man. I agree salvia is not fun but it is incredibly enlightening. It goes deeper than shrooms and the spirit of the drug is very serious. I believe this plant want's us to know what is beyond our reality or perhaps what the fabric of reality is made up of. You read the article in which plants communicate with each other, this plant has to be a message from something greater. How else would these plant's understand what our neurotransmitters look like and create chemicals that mimic them in order to experience the things we do? Its like our brains are computers and on psychedelics they run on different software that allow us to see through the different spectrums of reality.


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Re: Salvia. Evil? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21496814 - 04/03/15 03:00 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe sometimes the euphoric feelings can get in the way of the true meaning of the experiences. Mushrooms although very introspective can be fun and goofy more of like a celebration of life. Ibogaine strictly analyzing life.


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Re: Salvia. Evil? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #21496877 - 04/03/15 03:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe sometimes the euphoric feelings can get in the way of the true meaning of the experiences. Mushrooms although very introspective can be fun and goofy more of like a celebration of life. Ibogaine strictly analyzing life.




I do agree that the silliness can get in the way of learning, best to take them alone methinks.
But I also think that's kinda the point though, to remind us not to take ourselves so seriously, and that life should be enjoyed.


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Re: Salvia. Evil? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #21496894 - 04/03/15 03:24 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

In my mind salvia is not evil what so ever. The spirit is more mischievous and likes to let people experience things that they never even consider. I think that's why there are so many people who will become books, or trees or whatever. Salvia gives them an experience that they never even could imagine.


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Re: Salvia. Evil? [Re: GhettoShroom]
    #21496908 - 04/03/15 03:32 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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But I also think that's kinda the point though, to remind us not to take ourselves so seriously, and that life should be enjoyed.



True, true but that is what the teacher of the mushrooms says, chances are if you do iboga it's gonna show you the deep and true significance of life which is probably why so many addicts use it to get passed their addiction.


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Re: Salvia. Evil? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #21497343 - 04/03/15 05:24 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Very accurate salvia art, especially the zipper. I remember actually becoming the zipper on my salvia trips that would unzip the reality that we experience in day-to-day life, revealing what was behind the scenes. Who knows what it was behind the scenes though, the greater reality behind the illusionary curtain? 4th dimension? A different universe?

Salvia always had more of an evil tone to it, but I have had one complete blissful euphoric experience. I think the evil comes from not "letting go" completely, i.e resisting the effects and not wanting to leave this reality.

Come to think of it, the only time I had a really great experience with Salvia was when I didn't really know what I was getting myself into. I just loaded a huge bowl of this legal herb that I couldn't even pronounce from a head shop and hit it.

I think my naivety is what lead to my breakthrough because not knowing what I was about to experience really gave me no opportunity to resist what was coming. :shrug: I didn't have that "Salvia fear" back then that I do now, which I think hinders the salvia experience in terms of letting everything go and not clinging to this reality.

I also think there's two directions you can go on salvia. In reference to the art, you either fall into the inferno, or you unzip reality and go to the "other side" where the beings are.


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Re: Salvia. Evil Spirits Or Misunderstood Beings? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #21498119 - 04/03/15 08:22 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I have been extremely interested in salvia for many years now and have had many experiences with all different strengths of extracts and even plain leaves. I think since you have gained a bit of the relationship with the plant you are now able to go deeper into the experience and interact with the entities in a more elaborate way since they recognize you now.

The only reason I have even said something that like which may seem ridiculous to many people is because I have experienced it myself.
As I became more and more experienced with salvia the plant started opening up to me and showing more then it used to.

On my most powerful salvia trip I had a fully blown astral projection after a zipper opened up in the center of my vision and I felt as if I was being shot through an infinity of dimensions, literally bursting through them like a baby flying out of a vagina really fast on a time loop. The crazy thing though was that at some point I became aware that even though that seemed to be occurring on another level I was really just in my astral form in some dimension I have no words to explain. Two entities greeted me and were calling me by my normal human name and trying to help me get up so I could go with them but I was so unfamiliar with the new form of my "body" I wasnt able to move.

Unfortunately the trip ended when I realized I could move and in "real life" I got out of my chair and walked over to what was actually the bathroom door in my house and just then the trip literally shut off like a T.V.

In my opinion salvia is most definitely not evil and honestly at this point in my life ive come to realize good and evil is all just an illusion rooted in our fears desires and pleasures.

Salvia is by far the most amazing mind altering substance I have ever experienced and I think this spring/summer I need to learn from her more.

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Re: Salvia. Evil Spirits Or Misunderstood Beings? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #21499403 - 04/04/15 02:28 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone ever try the traditional way of oral salvia?

A few years back i managed to keep a plant growing for a couple of months, its not easy in my climate, and ended up with a good sized quid of perfectly fresh plain leaves
Chewed it for a good 15min iirc

Barely got an effect tho, just some very subtle but blissful headspace
Propably due to the reverse tolerance some people describe with salvia, its illegal here and this was my first and only time so far
Never managed to get my hands on another cutting, but i have recently recieved a sampler of extracts and when the times right ill give smoking a try

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Re: Salvia. Evil Spirits Or Misunderstood Beings? [Re: thoraxx]
    #21499892 - 04/04/15 07:14 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Ive always wanted to try a quid of salvia but never have had the opportunity.....hopefully one day.

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Re: Salvia. Evil Spirits Or Misunderstood Beings? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #21500566 - 04/04/15 09:00 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Well shit, I saw a lot of my self in this post. I hate salvia short duration which is why I want to start quidding. It seems promising and blissful. I agree that salvia certainly is one of the most amazing mind altering substances out there.


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Re: Salvia. Evil Spirits Or Misunderstood Beings? [Re: thoraxx]
    #21500599 - 04/04/15 09:02 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I made the tea last week and held the liquid in my mouth for a while. I swished it around like I was using mouthwash. I got 3 hours of a salvia space like stoned feeling. I went to the dark to meditate and had mild beings dancing around. Lots of patterns it was welcoming.


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Re: Salvia. Evil Spirits Or Misunderstood Beings? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #21501057 - 04/04/15 09:24 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

How much salvia did you use for the tea? Did you just keep all the liquid in your mouth?

Also did anything happen that is worth a more detailed report?


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Re: Salvia. Evil Spirits Or Misunderstood Beings? [Re: Achillita]
    #21501301 - 04/04/15 09:36 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Ive heard that traditionally the fresh leaves are ground with a mortar and pestle and the liquid that seeps out is mixed with water to make a tea.

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