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Incredible wonder in imaginal reality
    #21496322 - 04/03/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Going off of what I was saying with trust and that I am, through language, unable to speak of what can never be said...

This community has been incredibly helpful. What has surprised me the most, when communicating, is that a lot of the posts echo and relive some of my revelations / the revelation. I don't know how that is possible nor the extent to which I can be expected to now live a "normal" life after my experiences.

I feel like it is really important to not put on a box. We should be open to that there is profoundness going on with Ultimate Reality... wonder so incredible that it defies description. That the mysteries can never be said but only experienced, and so, so much more. It's also amazing how much we forget and make up new stories after returning to the worldview conception of an egoic self. Sound familiar..??! Why does this happen?

Why can't we hint of this outside of the shroomery or dmt-nexus? Is it okay to be writing this?

What is the case is that people do have spiritual emergencies, awakenings, mystical visions, and this has been going on. Here, I will make at least one understanding known: "you" (?) are not the only one from this worldview conception who has felt or seen these profound thoughts evoked here and throughout some of these posts. How could it have been any other way when you strip away the illusions?

I need to trust more...


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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: solarshroomster]
    #21496332 - 04/03/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I am trying to be really careful with my word choice here. There may be some difficulty communicating, but I am trying the best I can to evoke. I have a lot of questions.


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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: solarshroomster]
    #21496345 - 04/03/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

It is possible to be in the divine state at all times, without any extraneous substances.

It is always okay to write and do and say anything - in the end, we come to the ocean of bliss; in the meantime, we learn how to affect the world in the most positive way.

Without mistakes, we won't learn - as Emerson said, "All life is an experiment. The more we make, the better."

The question is - how to do the best good, in the best way possible?  And the answer is always there, always within, always available to us, if we are quiet, and listen.


It is a bit of a fallacy to say that we can't say what is true - words don't express all consciousness, easily, but also, all forms of the universe are reflected within every word, within every cell and form of the universe.

As T. McKenna explains, the world is made of words.  They are more powerful than actions, albeit less powerful than ideas. . .although one might say each of these are equal.

As Goethe and countless others have understood, every word and every action echoes throughout eternity and infinity.  Once we understand this - then we will understand how we affect the world; and we will learn to do the most good for it.

As I understand it - a total revolution of our values is in order - particularly, to understand that what is good for the earth's ecosystem as a whole is the greatest good, the most important thing to do in the world right now.


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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #21496362 - 04/03/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Great to read your post Solars.

I think that we have to develop our language to account for our experiences. This will also help us with remembering the experience accurately. In other words we have to invent new words and maybe even new forms of communication. For example the word fractal, or vibe are relatively new words which had to be developed and now stake out new territory in the unexplored psychic realms.

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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #21496454 - 04/03/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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It's also amazing how much we forget and make up new stories after returning to the worldview conception of an egoic self. Sound familiar..??! Why does this happen?



this is necessary to ground us, it binds us to our own existence - who we think ourselves to be.

our personal lives, all the people we know and friends we cherish.. that would all mean nothing if it weren't for these stories we keep telling ourselves.
you call them 'illusions' but we believe them to be true and that makes them so

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Why can't we hint of this outside of the shroomery or dmt-nexus?




we do, all the time. have you been listening?


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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: Envix]
    #21496702 - 04/03/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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It's also amazing how much we forget and make up new stories after returning to the worldview conception of an egoic self. Sound familiar..??! Why does this happen?



this is necessary to ground us, it binds us to our own existence - who we think ourselves to be.

our personal lives, all the people we know and friends we cherish.. that would all mean nothing if it weren't for these stories we keep telling ourselves.
you call them 'illusions' but we believe them to be true and that makes them so

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Why can't we hint of this outside of the shroomery or dmt-nexus?




we do, all the time. have you been listening?




Envix, that is incredible. "these stories" "we keep telling ourselves". "We keep telling ourselves". It still counts as real as anything else, this play of life (even with its plot holes).

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Why can't we hint of this outside of the shroomery or dmt-nexus?




we do, all the time. have you been listening?







I am curious where people talk about these kinds of things. It seems like there are moments when people keep telling about their experience with a "far out there" reality in various mind frames but others, I'm scared, may look the other way. Like, they are ignoring it or making up some reason. I don't know!

It fills my heart with joy though to know, however, that the "people" on this forum hold stories at least I can gain from. That there is knowledge they can impart that can be helpful.


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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: solarshroomster]
    #21496824 - 04/03/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

you can gain from any story that's told. if you're willing to listen, there is wisdom in the words of fools as well as wizards

it's all in how you interpret what is spoken. the earth speaks through all. the earth speaks to itself


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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: Envix]
    #21496895 - 04/03/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I remember that: "these stories we keep telling ourselves".


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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: solarshroomster]
    #21496962 - 04/03/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

People in other posts here are writing about the world.

I think we are all hoping for a global awakening.

That's what we dream about and pray about. Everyone in this story will get the message. We will stop thinking like in a box with conventional ways of knowing, because we will know that there is something more. We will be open to that there is more.

But I am scared about how we divided ourselves, and it concerns me that my ego has made rules. Some are saying here that we can't wait for this egoic worldview to change, but that's hard and difficult when you come back and see people so divided. I feel like this place of "ordinary reality" is a playground, but I want it to feel comfortable interacting with others. I believe in unconditional love. There is still a fear I have in interacting with others though. How can I genuinely look onto them and make meaning? How can I be earnest with them?

Sorry, I am trying to "get it out"... let some of these emotions go and resolve into trust...


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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: solarshroomster]
    #21497431 - 04/03/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Just saw your post and I will write more at a later date - don't worry, anything you say is okay! :sun:. . expressing it in words is useful growth - writing thousands of poems is my best idea for that :-)

Only once did I ever come across this concept (of stories, explained below, ok done editing now) in the wisdom literature I studied over the years, but I think it's very interesting.

Especially since you talk about stories a bit; it's the idea of "liberating illusions."  Typically, illusions are considered not desirable - we would rather have pure awareness, and an accurate perception of reality, to illusions, any day.  So the idea of liberating ones is a bit curious.  After a couple years I came to the idea that it's basically like this - a liberating illusion is the kind which you know you are going to be free one day.  It is an illusion because you are already free - to see past all illusions is to know freedom - but the ideas "I am strong," "I am at peace," "I am healthy," etc. - these have been my liberating illusions.  I think they may be called this because we are not just strong - we are the universe; we are not just at peace  - there is infinite peace; we are not just healthy - we are pure and completely health and perfect life.  But as a cure for some of the maladies, these are very useful.

As for trust - one of the most interesting and important topics in spiritual life.  Like I said before, trusting oneself is the main thing - so I always tell people, have faith in yourself, and since I have been doing this, I've found it is the best way.  Follow your heart, trust and have faith in yourself; this is the cure to almost everything that's going on in the world.  To be strong, to be kind, to be at peace, all seem to come from the total trust in oneself. 

As to who to trust; this to me is also one of the most important things.  I have learned that the principle of selectivity runs through everything - if I only take in the best .01% of poetry, art, music, and genius of mankind, then I am most likely going to be getting the truth in the best way; again of course, the criterion of who I choose to listen to is my own heart, and who it feels called towards; but over lifetimes, that skill is also improved and honed.  For me personally, I could say, Siddhartha, Goethe, Shelley, Blake, Whitman, Milarepa, Dogen, Rumi, Ram Dass, Alan Watts, Terence McKenna, (after I had studied the rest), Laoze, Swami Vivekananda, Sri Ramakrishna, Sri Ramana Maharshi, Thich Nhat Hanh, Tara Brach (though I had studied all for many years, the dharma talks of Tara Brach were the most transforming experience of my life, I listened to quite a few dozen of them, along with Hanh's later), John C. Lilly. . .

What to speak of books like The Farther Reaches of Human Nature, by Abraham Maslow, A Primer on Group Psychotherapy by Ray Naar, and many other wonderful books.  By Mila, I recommend Drinking the Mountain Stream, and as a prelude, Entering the Stream is a wonderful compendium.  By Watts, The Joyous Cosmology is a fantastic description of LSD and a divine experience; In My Own Way is his autobiography, (a bit slow an dry for the first 60 pages maybe, but then it gets into some lovely stuff).  Then of course Black Elk from the Oglala Sioux is absolutely wonderful.  Black Elk Speaks is online, and Wiki quotes has a nice format for reaching him as well.

From the Christian tradition, Henri Nouwen has been wonderful in my life - Way of the Heart is a beautiful, beautiful book, spiritual, about meditation and prayer and God.  Thomas Merton has always been exceptional to me - a Trappist monk, and a very good friend of Hanh, leader of the Dhyana or Rinzai school of Zen.  Hanh himself is one of my most deeply influential teachers - 50 Hanh quotes link is a nice source of his teachings, although I listened to many dharma talks of his, I also came back to this page many times, as it contains the core of his wisdom very nicely.

Meister Eckhart is a 13th century Christian mystic, considered by many to be among the greatest. . . Goethe and others are indebted to him, I believe.

I will give a brief list of some of the teachers I admired, whose wiki quotes pages are quite nice.

Meister Eckhart
Herman Hesse
Robert L. Stevenson
Ram Dass
Swami Vivekananda
Sri Ramakrishna (the above's teacher/guru)
Rumi

Thomas Merton, Henri Nouwen have wonderful quotes and works too. . Their works are all good - Swami Vivekananda's are contained nicely in a book called Living At the Source, and another one by Sri Aurobindo and the Mother (Mirra Alfassa) titled Powers Within is an extraordinarily potent book. 

Learning to discern truth from falsehood is among the highest skills. . . There are not all those who wish to teach truth and prosperity - some do deceive - I will not mention any of their names, I am only saying this to let you know. . . I have been so lucky, so blessed, to have so many incredibly wonderful teachers come into my life at just the right times. . . and those I should not listen to, somehow I have always sensed it and left them very well alone.

I don't know if this may seem odd, but it has seemed true in my life.

As far as fantastic things - none of it is really necessary.  All of the best teachers are also very, very simple, I believe.  Sri Ramana Maharshi is very simple, he teaches just to meditate on the question "Who Am I?" until one becomes absorbed in it, and eventually realizes the Self.  Sri Amritananda Mayi Ma, or Amma, simply teaches love and service to the needy. . . It is said that if anyone - when anyone came to Sri Ramana's temple, the very first thing is that they were fed, he took great pains to make sure this was the first thing, that they were given pure food, given in love first to the divine, to purify it, then to the guest.

One great Swami was famously asked by students, "teacher, I have been having wonderful visions (of some kind), vibrations, or this and that," and the Swami replied, "don't worry - keep at your practice, they will pass."

Zen master Bankei from Japan, was a very popular master as his teaching was very simple, simply realize what is there; his book is The Unborn and is illimitably beautiful and valuable.  Bassui is another Zen master from there - very interesting to me, his method of teaching was completely identical to Ramana's - he taught his students to simply meditate on the question, "Who am I?" and in the words of Ramana, when any thought arises, merely ask, "To whom is this thought occurring?" etc.

Bassui's last words again point to a very simple approach,

While sitting in meditation at age 61, he said to his followers,

"Look straight ahead. What's there? If you see it as it is, you will never err," and then died.

This concept of Zen is very fascinating, and it is lovely - simply to hear the bird sing. . .

And yet oneness is part of their philosophy, the same as Black Elk said - 'Only when one knows they are one with the universe, will they know true peace.'

When I found this almost verbatim in Laoze, Swami Vivekananda and Zen, I was quite intrigued.

So these are some of the teachers I trust.  William James (especially 4th chapter of Varieties) is wonderful, as are da Vinci, Einstein and others.  As Einstein said, 'the true value of a human being is the extent to which they have attained liberation from the self.'  And this is much like the rest of them - throughout time and history, there seems to be one message shining through: seek peace, find it, and share it - for all is infinite peace.

No elaboration is truly necessary, and as Dogen said, much reading is not the answer - same with Whitman, and others, they said to leave the dusty books, get out on the open road, and experience.  And yet, study can be of aid - but you can see why the Principle of Selectivity has, throughout my life, grown in importance: why read thousands of bad books, if the option to read a few of the best is possible?  It has always seemed that to study the genius is like to bask in its glow (the same is true of poetry, art, music, and the rest, as well, which are also essential in life, and a whole other topic).

On the topic of thinking for oneself, few are more strongly in favor of it than Schopenhauer, McKenna, et al.  Schopenhauer was wonderful, there was one point I strongly disagreed with. .

McKenna: 'None are smarter than you, and if they are, what of it?  What good is their understanding doing you?'

Extremely useful throughout my life I have found.

Swami Vivekananda especially was as well - 'As soon as superstition enters the brain, the mind is gone.'  yet also - 'Superstition is our great enemy, but bigotry is worse.'

Which is why - equality, the understanding that all are beautiful, no creed, no color, no caste, matter, is so important to me (or probably since it was a core of my personal identity as a child and young adult).

The good guys are all together, so to speak.  'Perfect womanhood is perfect independence.' by swami Vivekananda, or Timothy Leary - 'A woman who wants to be equal with men lacks ambition.'

To me, these are part of my guidelines, always will be - my belief in equality, etc., my regard for truth.  So when someone is bigoted, and if a part of their doctrine is to deceive, etc., - that is when I know to avoid. 

I won't say more - and I hope it doesn't arouse worry - the highest state is to be happy, and not to worry - especially when you learn the etymology of words, it helps to see why. 

Socrates: 'the secret is to spend all one's energy, not on fighting the old, but on creating the new.'

And what energy we have, maintain, and provide for others is the largest impact of our lives - if we do not know peace, it is not easy to work for peace; but if we are peaceful, then we will profit the world.

Or, again in the words of Hanh, 'Loving oneself is the foundation for loving another person.'  To me this is very quintessential to the spiritual path - we have to take care of ourselves, learn to be compassionate and kind with ourselves - then we can work in the world for peace.  As Buddha said, 'One should protect one's desire for the well-being of others as one would protect and cherish a new-born babe.  To me this has always been a very, very useful guiding star in life - if my situation is such that I am losing my desire for the well-being of others - then, it's just not worth it, and I should get out.

To take care of oneself is easy if you know how - largely it is just about avoiding impediments to life as it should be (for all of us). . .

As I say, on thinking for yourself none is stronger than Schopenhauer, although the rest say it too.

Trust is largely about intention - believing in the good intentions of others; it takes a great deal of strength to do so, time and again; but it is worth it, as if one shuts out the world, eventually it seems to work against oneself.

McKenna:
'Nature loves courage.  You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles.  Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up.  This is the trick.  This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood.  This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall.  This is how magic is done.  By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a feather bed.'

Dogen has a wonderful quote about it too, about all the Buddhas helping you, or something I think, although a quick search didn't find it - I remember it being on Goodreads, I'll link it because there are so many incredible gems there as well.

Among other central ideas through the world (universe), several seem to be

1) we create our reality (we are responsible for ourselves)
2) infinite peace exists, it is possible to experience
3) since this is so, our best task is to seek it and share it
4) never mind past failures, always begin anew

Hm, these are off the top of my head, there are others, and a better list could be made. 

One essential idea is that we can achieve more than our fathers and mothers, and this is perhaps, one of the most essential ideas in the world.  It is natural, and I believe it should always be remembered.  We put our best into our children - won't it be natural that they shall lead us?  It's taught in every school of validity, and yet forgotten as we grow older (sometimes. ;-)

'Grown men may learn from very little children, for the hearts of little children are pure, and, therefore, the Great Spirit may show to them many things which older people miss.' (Black Elk)

As I thought of glibly or gleefully a while back - 'Children, trust your parents, their wisdom goes back millennia.  Parents, trust your children, theirs goes back even further.'

In the words of Goethe, 'It is a poor pupil who doesn't surpass his master.'  I realized this as I passed him a while back in spirit, although not in art or beauty.  But such a thought should be discarded,  probably, as it's not all that valuable.  More valuable is kindness.

One interesting thing, I almost forgot - many of these people didn't want to be taken all that seriously.  I forgot Watts' exact words on it, but Lilly:
“As I say at the beginning of my workshops, 'Everything I say here is a lie -- bull--, in other words -- because anything that you put in words is not experience, is not the experiment. It's a representation -- a misrepresentation.”

As I think of it now, I think it is probably because he didn't want responsibility for those listening; he wanted them to take responsibility for themselves.

In our day and age, when faith in one selves is so much lacking, it seems that to say 'have faith in yourselves,' and to show the kind of life one can lead when one follows the wisdom of genius (within all of us, cf. Emerson) seems to be one of the best ways (with the end goal, as I propose, the saving of the earth, the protection of all species).

Or as Amma says, 'I am Love.'  Or a la Thomas Merton,
'To say that I am made in the image of God is to say that Love is the reason for my existence, for God is love.
Love is my true identity. Selflessness is my true self. Love is my true character. Love is my name.'
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Vivekananda was a radical to me, and shared so much strength; ideas such as 'to tell someone they are weak is the only sin you can do,' and that we should 'say to all, "have no fear."'  His philosophy is Advaita Vedanta, and very beautiful.

One last thing - learn from all; one of the most incredible books I've read is Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors, by Ann Druyan and Carl Sagan (husband and wife); a book on evolutionary biology and our place in the ecosystem of life on earth (one particularly lovely place was when I realized our inter-connection with other life based on an evolutionary biological standpoint).

I've mentioned a few, teachers I trust; I centered around a few; let me know if there are any questions about Advaita, Bhakti, Zen, Christianity or Islam, or First People, I may be able to help, or if not, at least point to some resources.

Kabir and Hafiz as well as Rumi are quite lovely Sufi poets.

Most powerful quote on thinking for yourself, by Schopenhauer,

'When we read, another person thinks for us: we merely repeat his mental process. In learning to write, the pupil goes over with his pen what the teacher has outlined in pencil: so in reading; the greater part of the work of thought is already done for us. This is why it relieves us to take up a book after being occupied with our own thoughts. And in reading, the mind is, in fact, only the playground of another’s thoughts. So it comes about that if anyone spends almost the whole day in reading, and by way of relaxation devotes the intervals to some thoughtless pastime, he gradually loses the capacity for thinking; just as the man who always rides, at last forgets how to walk. This is the case with many learned persons: they have read themselves stupid.'

Very shocking, when I read it!  Because naturally, growing up here, reading is considered so very valuable!  It's what intelligent people do!  It took me a while to integrate it - although Whitman has mentioned before - leave the books, take the road; I still write and read others occasionally, but the vast part of my time is not. . .

It also serves to emphasize my understanding of Selectivity.

It's partly true, though, and it's why I believe we should all focus on creating new life, new art. . . especially any that can serve to wake us up from the looming disaster (have infinite faith, everything will be alright, but 200,000 additionally people in the world. . . we ought to slow down, wake up, reverse the trend down to a billion or so, so we can have a sustainable life, far into the future, and explore the divine life on earth for many millennia).  The sooner such problems are solved, the easier they will be to deal with, and the less suffering humanity will have to go through - so reduce consumption by 95-99% (very doable, and indeed easy ) - one source of strength ought to be (has always been since my childhood for me) that we survived an ice age.  What can be difficult after that?  Nothing.  Milarepa songs of truth and peace and strength help too. :smile:

That's the prescription for our salvation which I have come to, although others have said a total return to nature far before me.

Sorry it took me so long to write.  (since you asked me to write some more).


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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21497577 - 04/03/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

you realize with real eyes

messages are the mess of ages

interpret your inner presentation

a passing glance is a glancing past

innocence is in a sense

wandering through wonder

wondering of oneness

imagination is a magic nation

it's nice to know you're all you know


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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: Envix]
    #21497738 - 04/03/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

today I went to the store and felt an almost absolute state of kindness, bliss and love all the way through. . the check-out - Courtenay - shared a few thoughts - there is no past or future, only the present; and I agreed. . many people felt the same in the store. . one lady asked where a can was, and the brief exchange; I just felt such total love and bliss, all around, even in a simple exchange. .

I really felt it happened about ten days ago; although of course, every day is new.

Agreed about the language thing - I first noticed a little while back - Stevenson for example, writes with a different language, and Blake partly too. . Watts pioneered a lot of work on LSD divine experiences (cf Joyous Cosmology) and we, children many years later, are inheriting some of this, and work to create, new, beautiful language to express it. . although some of this has been around since forever. . and of course, Black Elk and others from ancient tribes teach some of this. .

About the story thing - so true; you can learn from any story.  I just flipped on The Wizard of Oz, and I haven't seen it; or at least, don't really remember. . and I just noticed, felt it was so divine, full of divine wisdom. . beautiful in so many ways; saw so much more beauty there than ever before. .

just a few ones, "oh my! people come and go so quickly here!"

all of it is divine symphony and harmony

love letters. . .

another - 'won't you take me with you?' 'why, of course I will!'  (just see Amitabha)

'we're all just walking each other home,' Ram Dass -

Who wants responsibility?  But we're all responsible for one another - all over the world. - cf. Father Zosimov, the letters of his, in The Brothers Karamazov;

another beautiful one, scarecrow and tinman - after ringing on the chest, he said, 'Beautiful! what an echo!'

'It's all empty'

And then I picked up a piece of paper randomly, to write a quote to remember- I started to write Hanh's

'Guarding information is not the best way to understanding; understanding means throwing your knowledge away.'

and the paper was blank except for one sentence, as I started I saw, right above it, "One of life's most important goals is to gain as much useful information from others as possible, while guarding your own secrets wisely. -- mike Caro - so hilariously. :-) that this happened.

then I thought the divine symphony.

And yeah - that story, is full of divine wisdom - in its own way, equal to Milarepa, say.

One thing is - related to Novelty theory, of which I know little - the rate of change is accelerating, at least for now. . .

with 200,000 more people in the world every day. . . so this means more and more information flooding - so those rare individuals, become more and more rare in a sense; the Rumi's, the Milarepa's, the Goethe's, the William Blake's. . . divine teachers -

So that makes the principle of selectivity more important. . . to find what is true in life.  And yet - this is countereffected by the wisdom, the way we are waking up - happening all over. . more quickly than ever in the last few weeks, the last few months and years. . . with a few hiccups, but we are waking up quickly now. 

So this means all people are waking up, coming along for the ride, as this transcendental wisdom becomes more and more understood by everyone -

the narayana darida, the man in the street, the poor, the meek, everyone is becoming aware of their divine nature these days.


(some Hanh quotes)

“The mind can go in a thousand directions, but on this beautiful path, I walk in peace. With each step, the wind blows. With each step, a flower blooms.”

“If in our daily life we can smile, if we can be peaceful and happy, not only we, but everyone will profit from it. This is the most basic kind of peace work.”


“Guarding knowledge is not a good way to understand. Understanding means to throw away your knowledge.”



“A real love letter is made of insight, understanding, and compassion. Otherwise it's not a love letter. A true love letter can produce a transformation in the other person, and therefore in the world. But before it produces a transformation in the other person, it has to produce a transformation within us. Some letters may take the whole of our lifetime to write.”

“Peace is present right here and now, in ourselves and in everything we do and see. Every breath we take, every step we take, can be filled with peace, joy, and serenity. The question is whether or not we are in touch with it. We need only to be awake, alive in the present moment.”


“When we walk like we are rushing, we print anxiety and sorrow on the earth. We have to walk in a way that we only print peace and serenity on the earth... Be aware of the contact between your feet and the earth. Walk as if you are kissing the earth with your feet.”




“I am determined to practice deep listening. I am determined to practice loving speech.”


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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21499430 - 04/04/15 02:45 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you all for your wonderful words of wisdom


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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: cheeshcat]
    #21499484 - 04/04/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you all so much as well. This has been very helpful with the supportive vibe, love, and trust for the whole meaning behind this all :heart:

Let us open the mind

infinite wonder :mushroom2:


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Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."


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Re: Incredible wonder in imaginal reality [Re: solarshroomster]
    #21502662 - 04/04/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

You are most welcome, Solar.

One of the simplest things is just to step off the merry-go-round, or cyclic chain of existence of samsara.  It is very easy, if one knows how.

As Swami Vivekananda said, 'Conscious effort is required if one wishes to attain super-conscious illumination,' and this is true, but one need not be striving all the time.  In fact, it is not necessary;

'These days I am not bothering about
Getting enlightenment all the time,
And the result is that
I wake up in the morning feeling fine.'
Bankei

Indeed energy of searching for peace is useful at first; but after a point, it becomes quite effortless.  Bankei performed austerity his whole life through; great, great austerity, and by the end, he told his followers it had been unnecessary - simply follow the Middle Way, he advised.

Keeping the body completely in perfect health is wonderful, and one of the most useful aids to life.  Again - and this especially, does not require great effort, merely a complete transformation of energy and consciousness. 

An example of why - Zen monks (buddhist monks in general) do not run, it is one of their practices; they walk everywhere.

And yet Philip Kapleau lived to be 92, and Zen master Hanh is now 88 and healthy - the point is, our ideas of running everywhere is not necessary. 

This is why I often say - drink enough water, don't take harmful foods, and learn to live in a total state of love, this is the best way to health.

'Keeping your body healthy is an expression of gratitude to the whole cosmos — the trees, the clouds, everything.'

'It is possible to live twenty-four hours a day in a state of love. Every movement, every glance, every thought, and every word can be infused with love.'



It is largely about memes, to the extent that we know we can be perfectly healthy.  Our society has forgotten this - pure and perfect health; and it is transmitted through words, thoughts, actions. . . eventually, if you become healthy and sensitive enough, you will be able to feel the impact of when someone says something very false - and weakening - it'll feel like direct contact.

Not to worry - merely return to what you know to be true; the perfect health, the path to the pure land, the live and love that you know is true.

And if one is like a quasar of love - filled with the energy of mindfulness and love, in the words of Thay, then one will be able to heal others, just with love and kindness, and quiet presence. . . A smile, a laugh, to diffuse any tension, and the best way to bring out the kindness and joy and laughter that is in everyone, that is healing, and that is true and wonderful. . . in this way, to relate to others - is very good.

Or in the words of Sri Ramakrishna - first oil one's hands with love of God, and then one will not be harmed by anything.

And his other title, Paramahamsa, as he is sometimes referred to as Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, means Great Swan, and part of the meaning of this is that the water of material life or one might say, any false memes, roll off his feathers like water rolls off a swan.


So one ought to be completely healed when going to the world to engage in peace work - the same is seen in every tradition.  In Christianity, Way of the Heart, by Henri Nouwen is useful, describes Saint Anthony's healing - when he was 18, he went into the wilderness and remained for 20 years; then when he was imbued with the healing he found deep in the desert, he returned to town and for many years did very good work of love.

Laoze and Ram Dass say the same thing -the best thing one can do for others is to transform oneself, Laoze says, leave the world alone. .

In the words of Alan Watts - 'muddy water is best cleared by leaving it alone.'

And in the Zen tradition, the idea is that one comes back to society, one goes up on the mountain, but then comes back down.


Oh - I was going to say, going out in nature is the best way, one of the best ways, to learn about the pure health and perfect health with which we are all endowed from birth, and which we can re-awaken and attain once again at any point. . . Christ taught it rather strongly, I believe, as did all the other divine teachers.

Jetsun Mila, or Milarepa, is one of the greatest saints - a saint-poet from Tibet, who lived in the mountains. . it is said he sung 100,000 songs. . my best experience of them was reading Drinking the Mountain Stream.  He also avers that the best thing one can do is to live in the mountains. . .the next best is to be a wandering ascetic, the third best is to to live in a hut outside of town, so on down the line, to house-holder status, when one lives in wisdom and love, even while engaged in 'ordinary' affairs.

(cf Dogen)

Then again, there is no enlightenment outside of daily life - the point I am trying to make is that sometimes, retreat is absolutely necessary, and to spend time in nature. . . I would always follow Mila's advice, personally. . Christ seems to have taught very essentially the same thing. 

The druidic and shamanic path is also very well-rooted in nature.

Or as Whitman says, 'I have found the way to perfect health, it is living outside.'

So, this is very essential - find the total peace, first, and then try to engage the world in peace work - otherwise; one is like trying to save someone who is drowning while one is yet still in the water.  First, find the solid ground of reality, and very-well rooted in reality, all the rest will come very naturally and easily.

The reason why it is so beneficial to share secrets of strength, peace, life, with all - is that, as Vivekananda understood, almost all misdeeds in the world are done because we don't know we are free, and strong.  So share love and light, peace and strength, with all, like a quasar - as Vivekananda said, the one thing that creates all of our problems is telling someone they are weak, they are sinful - this creates the rest of it.

So the best thing I could ever say is be as kind, strong, wise, and lovely as Milarepa - then nothing will be a problem again.


'A human being is like a television set with millions of channels. We cannot let just one channel dominate us. We have the seed of everything in us, and we have to recover our own sovereignty.'

One secret of yoga is to gently roll the eyes up, toward the back of the head - this sends waves of relaxation throughout the body; I am fortunate to know hundreds of such secrets, many or most of which I learned in childhood, as my father had been around a lot, and learned a lot of good things.  For about 10-25 seconds.

But if I share this, most won't understand - so mostly I don't share many of these secrets, although basic things like massaging your feet and calves, or reaching total and deep relaxation throughout the body - renew it completely, and give much more strength and so forth.  Then one can work all day and all night if one wished to or needed to (although for what would one need to do this?) :-)  Most of the work of society being done right now is unnecessary and material - nothing is needed for infinite peace and love except for a sound mind, body and heart - no material consumption except for a few pure foods, plenty, plenty of water, and the light and love that comes form an easy, natural life with much love, harmony and plenty of plants and animals around one. 

Oh - in many places I don't share shroom stuff or talk about that - or psychs, although, it is of course becoming more and more understood throughout society that these are medicines -  but since it is here, I thought, I will be able to share an experiment on the eye-roll test theory.  Having done this on shrooms, and felt entire waves of bliss and relaxation roll throughout my body, I have done a test that re-affirmed my understanding of the physiological mechanism - I already knew for sure its benefit and efficacy and truth, but this proved it beyond any doubt.  It's useful although not necessary - an aid to the relaxed, peaceful and natural life, the joyful, strong and successful, fortunate one; but it works well with other techniques and practices.  Also, I haven't done shrooms or psychs in many years, having followed Watts' advice, 'When you gets the message, hang up the phone.'  Although I did them three times each or so.


One thing I meant to say way earlier is - among all these teachers, few experiences were as transforming in my life, daily life, as the dharma talks of Tara Brach.  Though I had studied the wisdom traditions for several years, and practiced much, and made much progress - hearing her dharma talks was what really brought everything together, as well as Dogen and a few others. . . they were (are) very directly to the point of it, the crux of the matter. . . Still, one ought to take it a bit further, and develop one or two practices of one's own, I believe - but these talks were so wonderful.

tara's dharma

I never cared too much for the guided meditations - I preferred meditation to be in the free-flowing nature, walking meditation through the woods, gazing at trees very far distant, to loosen and relax the eye muscles, singing gatas, etc., but the dharma talks did the trick (McKenna's trick). . . I listened to maybe two or three dozen over a year or two; still lovely, but I haven't heard them in a long time.  I am just as happy to listen to Jimi's axis; bold as love, these days, or Planxty or Archie Fisher.

I would listen to them on headphones, while walking through the peaceful neighborhood streets, or through the woods. . . most lovely.  I also listened to Thay's talks, very many are very very wonderful. . . countless times I meditated upon the moon, remembering him say, "The Sun is a Buddha, and the Moon is a Buddha."  Also, I will never forget how Buddha's enlightenment was based on a boyhood feeling of bliss and love that he felt. . . it is said, under the Bodhi tree he remembered this, and it filled him and became his enlightenment.

Oh, stories.

:-)


Looking on your questions - which I have not answered yet - particularly about the fear - I have passed through all fear, and all I can say is wait for it all to fade, it will fade.  One way I have thought of it and looked on it is that pain and fear can one day be left so far in the distance, that they are no longer even really existing. 

As to relating to others - cheerfulness, glad humor, light, looking for the good in them, all these help transform interactions into mutually beneficial, and so forth. . Michael Carbonaro is a master of it, in the worldly arena - Cesar Milan as well, I have no idea of their beliefs of philosophy naturally, yet it is good to see goodness wherever it is, and learn from anyone. 

Whitman is also spoken of by his friends and students as being so, so incredibly good-natured that he never said an unkind word towards anyone at all, or any being. . Just a lovely and interesting thought, I have always thought since I discovered it.


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