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Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. * 1
    #21473067 - 03/29/15 03:03 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly what this post is about is kinda hard to explain. It's sort of a mixture of my beliefs/philosophy (religion, spiritual, afterlife etc) which are somewhat different to what most people believe.
If you take the time to read this, I thank you. And I would appreciate your views on it.

Firstly my philosophy can only work under certain circumstances, most of these circumstances follow the laws of physics and science, but often the non philosofical person might not ever think of these things or simply refuse to  accept these circumstances as fact.

It starts of with religion. To understand my philosophy there can be no such thing as a god or spiritual creator. Simply that we are an accident of chemistry turned biological. The right chemicals happened to come together to create life, evolution and so forth happened and then suddenly here we are.

Next is that there is nothing after death. When we die, nothing special happens, our consciousness, simply electrical signals bouncing around your brain doesnt magically leave your body into the aether, it simply stops, becomes lost as heat or some other exchange of electrical energy. When you die, there is nothing. For some its extremely hard to imagine. But you're simply gone.

Once you take these things into account thereisnt much left to think about.
What is life? You're born, you grow up ingesting knowledge, you become an adult, you make your career, have a family, you raise your kids to do the same, retire, die, nothing.

Two generations down the track you're nothing but a name in a family tree album. Think about your great great grandparents. What do you know about them? You don't know what they were like, how their voice sounded, were they nice people? What did they do in their life? What were their hobbies, what was important to them?
Its unlikely that youll even care, and why shoud you? they're long gone. Their consiousness isnt around, and they arent up in a heavenly place chilling with bruce almighty.

Occasionally someone makes the history books. out of MILLIONS of people.
But what about the other 99%? totally forgotten to the ages.

When that's taken into account anything you doing your life might seem a little insignificant. Especially considering there is a HUGE chance that you wont do anything super famous or notable in your life (Sorry if that's insulting, but it's true when y think about it)

So this is where my post goes from being somewhat depressing to a little less depressing.

After youve realised this all, its a big weight on our shoulders if you agree with it and its impossible not to if you dont believe in the afterlife, religion, or any guiding spirituality.

The hard part is coming to terms with it, which is why soooo many people believe in god, and life after death. The thought of your life having no meaning is incredibly daunting. but once you come to terms with it and realise the true meaning of life, you can truly be free with yourself.

The true meaning of life is that its whatever you want it to be. Enjoy your time here, think of the world as your playground, do things you enjoy doing! Travel, play video games, get high, just make sure you're not miserable! and Ensure that others arent miserable along the way. Now I'm not saying dont get a job, because we still need to accept how the world works, and often you need money as an avenue to do what you enjoy.

A life has no meaning when it is simply a life. When you give it meaning, it is no longer pointless.

Each person will have their own meaning and purpose that they give themselves. It's not dictated by anything, not destiny, not god, nothing. Only you, if you choose it.


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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: seriousscotty]
    #21473142 - 03/29/15 04:15 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

OK, I'm just off to commit suicide people,,,,,,,,,,,,,:rofl:

OK...seriously. That is all your personal myth you have instilled from being brought up and drilled in the materialistic myth. All the tenets of the materialistic myth you preach
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Psychiatry and behavioral psychology also possesses the tools of enforcement and social control that modern governments adore. But, ultimately each is only just another belief system, quite arbitrary and very false, once again allied with governments (the State) and used to oppress the public. Strangely the humanist will understand this idea about traditional religions throughout history, but fail completely to see how this applies to the modern social sciences (i.e. psychiatry, psychology). source


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Your myth typically reduces all life, all feeling to random chemicals, and this is why when more  and more--including children--cannot cope in this mean heartless soulless dead system and go seeking help to the only 'experts' on offer, the doc/shrink/psychologist, they are lied to --and told they have a 'mental illness/'chemical imbalance' and need to go on chemicals!

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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: zzripz]
    #21473231 - 03/29/15 05:36 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

that's not really what psychology is about :tongue:

i dont think that what op said about evolution or the afterlife is very controversial :shrug:

i like the op's life affirming create your own meaning thing, i dont think framing it in opposition to a family or career or religious beliefs makes much sense though cos those lives could just as easily be founded on the same underlying philosophy


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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: seriousscotty]
    #21476982 - 03/29/15 11:30 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

since you asked for views,
seems you're searching for profundity in spite of yourself;
trouble is the linguistic tool kit for this sort of investigation tends to be dualistic;
whereas present moment living experiencing is already undivided, whole, complete, and unproblematic.
Language is full of nominalizations, generalities, concepts, abstractions ... add that to a belief system and it gets murky.
Nice word murky .

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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: laughingdog]
    #21477458 - 03/30/15 04:59 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I'm left feeling... rather pointless after reading the post.  Looking at "life" that way, yes it is.  But I know of hundreds of other equally if not more grim outlooks to the direction "life" can take you and you it. 

Murky is a good word, it's the fog that gets in the way of us truly seeing ourselves.  I kind of agree that within 100 years of your death, nobody will be around to remember you, but you will pass on genetic memories, even if you don't have children or can't.  It's simply the way we are, choose life my friend and learn the most from the mundane.

http://www.synthesiscenter.org/articles/0130.pdf


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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: hoodbran]
    #21478105 - 03/30/15 10:11 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

siiiigh people 'remember' Elvis, but only the IMAGE, not the real person
noone really knows you but you and the mystery of life

you dont really know 'you' because you are mystery

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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: zzripz]
    #21478125 - 03/30/15 10:19 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zzripz said:
you dont really know 'you' because you are mystery






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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #21478333 - 03/30/15 11:20 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)


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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: zzripz] * 2
    #21478500 - 03/30/15 12:16 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I totally feel you OP, I've been through, I believe, very similar thought processes and arrived at a very similar conclusion. Going through the stage of seeing it all as pointless was hard for me, the hardest time of my life in fact. Luckily it only lasted around a year before I found what I believe is my meaning in my time here.

Since then, it's been a lot easier to accept all there is about this existence which can so easily drag one down when viewed without repression.

This quote seems particularly apt to end on:

"He who has a Why to live for can bear almost any How."
--Friedrich Nietzsche


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #21478791 - 03/30/15 01:42 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

To the OP I would submit that physical holism is the possibility (of existence) in which we may find meaning. This is not profound, other than it is apparently in a way is different than very many narrow points of focus. Its easy to miss that it is different than most points of view, but in itself, not excluding things. Or at least in a way of living accordingly, it is trying to live without exclusions or holistically.

Here is a formal (theoretical) argument: There is a reason physicality is distinguished in name and form, from material analysis.

Recognizing this sort of distinction has nothing to do with idealism.  Yet what modern humankind commonly does not understand or meditate on is how matter is actually the suggested "form". It is referred to in certain relation, side by side with "form" in Aristotle's categories. Material substance is found in the the form of an enframed reductive analysis of physicality.

The problem or hinderence with a narrow point of focus is not what is included in it, as if by some insinuation, there is something we are afraid to see, in things. Like for instance, a diagram of a human brain without a body, or say a human body without genitals are missing significant portions of human being being suggeztive of what we are, is just generally a kind of narrowness.

The problem may as much as be with what may be violated to get to the said point of view, implying the same thing. Nothing has spirit in the face of vivesection, it is not in the room, where it occurs, and not in the world according to anyone in that room. Analysis is theoretical though, or removed breaking down of things, usually assumed in relation to empiricism's synthetic approach to nature.

But the early cry of empeiros, was suggested specifically as a treatment of living patients, as opposed to formalism or theoretical approaches. Physicians of the empiric school of medicine, circa 300BC (like Philinos of Kos) found that what they did "in trial" or "experience" was a calculated risk in the stream of things, and this is somewhat related to the way we think of it as inductive logic, but also different. Namely finding things in trial was not prioritatively for theoretical knowledge (though it was) but clearly was in the context of medicine, first for the benefit of the patient.

That is a big difference. That holistic context of empiricism has been lost to the priority of a theoretical slants. However, contemporary philosophers like W.O Quine also argue today for holism from a technical point of view (See "Two Dogmas of Empiricism").

I would submit a fun analogy from the modern world. Since the dogma of analyticity can be considered an enframed picture of the nature of reality, it is a little like pornography. Narrowness or isolated views presents a fetish, as a compulsive and unrealistic notion, an ideation that is specifically of some physical "thing". Material analysis, not recognized in its appropriate means and ends is like such a compulsion of thought.

The questioning of this attitude is again not fearful of what is included in its narrowed focus, (like the formal capacity of the brain or parts of the physical body, as if being presented with these things is something to be ashamed or fearful of or needs to be liberated) but what in this narrowness of focus implicitly excludes as actual intimacy.

Physis itself (nature) might not be possible to represent, but this is the term we received...

As a conception of what is "caused in itself" it is something we have translated into a theoretical mechanical view, the "nomological net" of physics. To the Greeks it meant something more general like "nature" or "growth". We mainly void this meaning of nature in our contemporary world, lay our mechanisms over it and in that contradict it, and in the end usually destroy it.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physis

Edited by Kurt (03/30/15 09:20 PM)

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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: Kurt]
    #21480521 - 03/30/15 06:32 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, life is what you make it. It is dictated by your thoughts and actions. I have different views on the spiritual aspect and destiny, etc...but have been there and done that with what you are believing now. Life shows you things and you don't ignore them...or you learn the hard way...let's say.

At any rate, this has always been one of my favorite quotes on the meaning of life...sums it up pretty fuckin' good:

Meaning is not something you stumble across, like the answer to a riddle or the prize in a treasure hunt. Meaning is something you build into your life. You build it out of your own past, out of your affections and loyalties, out of the experience of humankind as it is passed on to you, out of your own talent and understanding, out of the things you believe in, out of the things and people you love, out of the values for which you are willing to sacrifice something. The ingredients are there. You are the only one who can put them together into that unique pattern that will be your life. Let it be a life that has dignity and meaning for you. If it does, then the particular balance of success or failure is of less account.

John Gardner

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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: seriousscotty] * 1
    #21487666 - 04/01/15 12:39 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

seriousscotty

QUOTE "The true meaning of life is that its whatever you want it to be."

If that was true we could all join the folks in the nut house who think they are Jesus, or Napoleon, and feel really fulfilled as a result.

It's bunk New Age philosophy.

Whenever people are in "the flow" or enjoying what they are doing they don't  search for, or TRY to create meaning.

Hence the age old wisdom of "doing things for their own sake."

The search for meaning is always the result of some dissatisfaction or unhappiness that a person isn't aware of or not willing to look at.

Minutely examining how one's mind is creating the illusion of suffering (ie meditation) or doing something fun and playful to get back in the flow, are time tested ways to get at the root of this.

There are lots of folks who believe in crazy meanings, and lots of fanatics, and annoying missionaries. Having meaning is really no guarantee of anything. It is only a booby prize. Enough meaning and the person sold this bill of goods thinks they have a leg up on reality, and are one of a select group in the know. Unhappiness wants to feel special.

Folks in the flow are so in the moment and alive there is no time for this slow descriptive arithmetic of classification and ossification called "meaning".

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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: seriousscotty] * 1
    #21489612 - 04/01/15 08:25 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I see no philosophy or "religion, spiritual, afterlife" here, just crude sensate-based philosophical materialism. :shrug: No glitches in YOUR 'Matrix' to give it away that it that all you're including in Reality is the most obvious and temporal things. Nothing transcendental, not even psychic or synchronistic or intuitive or visionary or ecstatic or even beautiful. Every single consideration is based on the structure of the ego - YOUR own point of view, self-esteem, and dismay at historical insignificance. So your 'philosophy' based on nihilism is a  paraphase of "Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die" - a conflation of two biblical sayings, Ecclesiastes 8:15, ‘Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry’, and Isaiah 22:13, ‘Let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we shall die.’" I'm sorry that you're stuck in a nihilistic world-view because it is not a life-affirming philosophy.

A life devoid of meaning is not a fully human experience, it is like the "Twinkie® diet," where no matter how many of them you eat, you're still gonna die of malnutrition. Apparently, 'specialness' is very important to you, but even the pyramids will be sand in 250,000 years, and it is questionable whether humanity will even remain. So who cares about history books? They don't make you immortal or give you Eternal Life. If you think life is pointless now, you cannot even imagine how it will be when you outgrow your adolescent video games and getting high behaviors. Chances are a nihilistic philosophy will lead to even more numbing drugs and ncreasingly self-destructive behaviors.

It's not all about you - or me. It's about you seeing the essential error of your most basic assumptions, and understanding that human life lived without acknowledging the transcendental nature of consciousness is what is pointless, not human life itself. If you want to attempt a change, maybe begin by reading The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle. Just because it was a best-seller doesn't mean that it's not good. Personally, I thinks it's an amazing 'transmission,' mind-to-mind, of a transcendental condition. You're a 'wave' on an 'Ocean of Existence,' but as long as you bemoan your limited existence as a wave which rises, falls, and vanishes on the 'Other Shore,' you'll never experience yourself as the very Ocean itself when your 'wave-self' arose and which is your Enduring nature.


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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21490851 - 04/02/15 01:18 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

you're from WA? Me too dude, where 'bouts in WA are you if you don't mind?


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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: Krazent]
    #21491115 - 04/02/15 04:57 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Life is only pointless if you let it be.


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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: Annex]
    #21491119 - 04/02/15 05:04 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

it's whatever you want it to be, you can possibly prove whatever you believe it is, you gotta believe it though


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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: Krazent]
    #21491126 - 04/02/15 05:09 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Sure, it can be literally anything -- subjectively. I think there's a little underlying objectivity to it as well, though, which is basically just be excellent to each other.


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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: Annex]
    #21491134 - 04/02/15 05:24 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, it's true to a certain degree


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Re: Life is pointless. But I'm totally okay with that. [Re: Krazent]
    #21491702 - 04/02/15 10:13 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Wrong person. You have to click on the correct name of whom you're responding to.


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