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Trichocerus cuttings growth rate
    #21489794 - 04/01/15 08:58 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I was wondering if a rooted cutting grows at a decent speed. I had bridgessi seedlings that seemed to take forever but will a cutting grow much faster?


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Re: Trichocerus cuttings growth rate [Re: 1314697]
    #21489897 - 04/01/15 09:15 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Depends on size of cutting.

Big cuttings grow fast when they have lots of roots. During rooting they may etiolate.

Very big cuttings can really take one year before they even push roots out. Some few feet long branches.

Common size of 12inch or so. It's good size cutting after rooting, it starts to grow faster. But seedlings will do fine, after year or two they grow realtively fast. Depends how you feed them and care them. With seedlings.. Later they will catch up the growth speed of cutting what comes to lengh of branches and how much they grow over grow season.

Anyway, for the health of cactus, it' better they don't grow much over winter and only during summer.

If you have same size cutting AND plant grown from seed same size. They grow approx same speed both, assuming cutting have proper roots.

I would say rule of thumb is: trichocereus will double it's mass over season but phenotypes may vary.

Some are slim, some fat.

And your seedlings will be bigger day by day. so they don't stay so small and slow growing. It takes one, two seasons to get them good size enough and you notice the growth speed starts to get faster. About half meter size cuttings should not anymore get more speed of growth in general. Trichs stay at one growth speed till they are big enough.


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Re: Trichocerus cuttings growth rate [Re: intelligentlife]
    #21490887 - 04/02/15 01:39 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

My smaller cuttings rooted very quickly, like in a week or two.  My big fat cuttings are just now starting to root, after about 9 months of trying to root them.  Not all of them have started though, the big fat cuttings are apparently content to just sit around doing nothing for as long as they feel like it, or until they get thirsty enough.


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Re: Trichocerus cuttings growth rate [Re: BigHeart]
    #21490936 - 04/02/15 02:07 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

They just have enough water in tissue they probably don't see necessary to grow roots and find water. I think it's reason why smal cuttings root faster, they simply run out of water so fast.

I am not sure of this but typically dehydrating the plant over time have caused roots to grow. With big cuttings, like those taking 9+ months. Clonex gel help and you got roots in month or two. (maybe in 2-3weeks)

I would not use Clonex to small cuttings, or fresh cuts. IMO.

Small cuttings seems they die to dehydration when they receive Clonex gel. That gel will dry out fast above callous so with big cuttings it's easy to use as well.

Just small cuttings look like Clonex cause them to go dehydrated. It will help with big cuttings and root growth is more impressive. They grow root buds very much if received clonex. Instead without Clonex there are like few root buds only..

But if you don't need to hurry with rooting. No point to use Clonex. For commercial grow it's good because big columns can be rooted faster. It doesn't effect so much to smaller ones and rooting time isn't going to be faster, difference is when plant grow roots, Clonex cuttings have faster root growth and more buds of roots.

They still manage without any hormones. I just happen to have one bottle, I have had it years. Haven't used it for a while to cactus. They root without as well. And some cuttings are so small atm, I don't dare to add Clonex to them.

Clonex really can kill cactus if it's too small.. It cause small plants to dry and die. Only lucky ones will do roots before they die. Big cuttings (~2feet+) don't behave similar and so radically when Clonex have been add to base of cutting..

You would try get a small bottle of that gel, it's expensive but small bottle lasts long time. And you probably would cut rooting time from 9months to one month or two weeks. I don't remember the price but so far I have had the bottle for years so it's small price and gel dries to pink fast. It seems to absorb trough callous as well.

Regular one foot cuttings, I haven't seen Clonex speed up anything, or it's very minimal. Only positive thing is, Clonex-cuttings will grow LOTS of roots and fast.

One foot size cuttings isn't too small to use clonex, but they will root fast enough without it.

Commercial growers with big plants like Clonex becuse it's not so hard to use than powder. Small paintbrush and small layer of clonex around vascular ring at callous works. Especially with those big cuttings if you don't want to wait.

If you can wait without problems about big cuttings just take time to root. Then go with naturall way. Just saying because some people may have kept cutting in pot over one season and get it to grow year after. Clonex-gel with big cuttings speed up those big logs and branches very much. Pointless to use under one foot cuttings. They just root fast on their own.

Also I never used clonex to lophophora or any other cactus so I don't know how other plants react. I know small trichs and other columnars die because of Clonex if they are too small cuttings. They just shrink and dehydrate, with luck they have time to grow roots but I have killed several small cuttings with Clonex so I know what I'm talking about.

Afaik it's some natural hormone from plants in gel and it will dry in hour or less so it won't cause problems to base of cutting if it's planted to soil. Gel should be dried before plant the cutting.

BigHeart: It's your choice do you might want to use it in future for big cuttings. I just write that here in case if someone read it and want root big columns faster. It's easier than any powder form rooting hormone because it's just like layer of paint what dried to callous. I don't know exactly where it can be get at USA but should not be hard to find.:thumbup:


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Re: Trichocerus cuttings growth rate [Re: intelligentlife]
    #21495088 - 04/03/15 02:00 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I.L., I did follow your advice from a previous thread and bought some clones but I must have done it wrong because it didn't seem to help any


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Re: Trichocerus cuttings growth rate [Re: BigHeart]
    #21495223 - 04/03/15 04:43 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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I.L., I did follow your advice from a previous thread and bought some clones but I must have done it wrong because it didn't seem to help any




Well that's weird. It does not do miracles, but root buds should grow very much when you add that stuff to callous.

I was thinkin could it be, how old callous you had before you add clonex to cut section?

I have used it to thin callous and let it dry. Add it to hard and old callous may not work instantly and you may need bigger amounts of it. But you should see root bud amount if it doesn't increase speed. If you see root buds lots, not just few, it have worked.

What I am sayin is. When I propagate the plant and use clonex. First of all I take cutting. I wait 2-4 days before add Clonex to callous. Then I wait till plant callous more.

Some use it directly to fresh cut but I like to use it for few days, maybe week old callous. Depends how big cuttings are so very fat ones have long time thin callous and clonex can be add directly all over the cut section.

But it's not one hit wonder stuff. Most commonly I see benefits, not from rootin speed but those clonex cutting grow so much roots compared to normal cutting. They may root same time but amount of roots clonex cause cactus to grow is very much insane compared to normal cutting what they usually have few root buds, clonex cuttings have grown actual roots faster and more of them.

It may have work with out or not. But if there's lots of roots bud from plant, it have been worked. I never use it to fresh cuts, but as well there's no point to add it to old callous.

So drying time first week is good time to add clonex to make sure plant have it. And I said mostly it doesn't speed up much, only bigger ones, but all have same benefits: lots of those root buds at once.

How much and how old callous you add it? (I mean you need lots of it if callous is old and add several times)

I see it's risk to add to fresh cut anything so I wait very thin callous so it will absorb trough it. Fat callous and small amounts may prevent the hormone get in to plant. I think so because it doesn't seem to effect if callous are already old, I mean Clonex doesn't seem to get in to system of cutting trough too thick callous without big amounts of it so even some absorb.

I keep their first one-two week(s) time-frame for cuttings to add clonex. Depends much about callous. I just in case don't use it to fresh cuts even some does. It will absorb easier to plant trough young callous(or fresh cut, but I don't suggest it) and it help big cuttings to root.

I haven't seen pics or anything so it's hard to know what have you done or do you have used them to fresh or old callous. It should be add when callou is very slim but capable to cause clonex absorb in the plant.

It should be add to fresh cuts but I notice fungal infections. So using paintbrush to add it to few days, maybe week old, not so strong callous. It will do fine and Clonex will absorb.

If you buy already callous cutting. You need basically cut it again and add Clonex few days later to fresh cut with slim callous prevent bacteria and fungi but allow clonex to absorb. Or you have used it too small amounts. I don't know details anyway how you have done it.

It's not any super fast rooting hormone, actually it promote more root growth and not much promote "faster rooting". But growers have noticed by using clonex to big cuttings, fresh cut or young slim callous, they can skip one year rooting phase in month or two.


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Re: Trichocerus cuttings growth rate [Re: intelligentlife]
    #21498339 - 04/03/15 09:28 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for that post buddy :smile: , I understand where I went wrong now.  When you spoke of Clonex in the prior thread, I remember you said not to add it to a fresh cutting, but to a calloused cutting.  I must have missed the part about it being a "fresh callous" and I added it to really old and thick callous (no idea how old exactly but it arrived calloused and I had it for an additional 4-6 months so it was an old callous for sure) so that's why it didn't seem to do much. 

Are you supposed to only add it to the center vascular ring?  I also did that part wrong I think, because I mostly put it around the edges where the calloused cut meets the green skin because in my naturally rooted cuttings that is always where I see the root buds coming from, I haven't seen any root buds come from the center ring.


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Re: Trichocerus cuttings growth rate [Re: BigHeart]
    #21499477 - 04/04/15 03:44 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I have "paint" whole cut surface with gel and wait some time.. It turn to pale-pink color at base.

I just don't like to use it to fresh cuts if paintbrush have some bad stuff, here fungi spread easy inside the cactus anyway.

Some nurseries use it and add it to fresh callous, but it will absorbs after few days of drying and no bacteria can get with clonex to cuttings.

Your cuttings may have too strong callous Clonex do not absorb easy trough it. I am not sure but it will absorb "fresh callous" easy.


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Re: Trichocerus cuttings growth rate [Re: intelligentlife]
    #21499512 - 04/04/15 04:18 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks again buddy I will absorb this knowledge and do it correctly next time :thumbup: :cactuarrun::sanpedro:


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Re: Trichocerus cuttings growth rate [Re: BigHeart]
    #21518012 - 04/08/15 02:25 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

How big are these "fat cuttings" that take 9 months to root?  I haven't had a problem with large cuttings, a 3' and a 4' both rooted around 4-6 weeks (I wasn't counting the days exactly but it was no 9 months!!)  I've done a bunch of 1 footers and they basically never fail to root within 4-8 weeks.  I just stick them in soil and forget about them.  Small ones do seem to root faster.

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