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GreenRabbit
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PF Tek is for Procrastinators!
#21488764 - 04/01/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just realized, if you like to procrastinate, PF tek is perfect.
Nothing ever goes wrong by saying "eh, I'll do it tomorrow" haha.
It's more likely for noobs to get anxious and fuck with their jars too much; much better to just say "fuck it" and look at em later every time.
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21489027 - 04/01/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Funny, I thought PF tek was for noobs who didn't read what a monotub was first.
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GreenRabbit
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: PirateSwazey]
#21489280 - 04/01/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I PF Tek into monotub
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the_r3dz
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21501930 - 04/04/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I realize that this post is a bit old but could you go into how you do that for me please? Do you mix with substrate or do you just case it? Do you use the same holes as a normal mono? I only ask that because I've seen people put many small holes in almost like SGFC.
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: the_r3dz]
#21502020 - 04/04/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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The reds go look up cvg tek.
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: the_r3dz]
#21502205 - 04/04/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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the_r3dz said: I realize that this post is a bit old but could you go into how you do that for me please? Do you mix with substrate or do you just case it? Do you use the same holes as a normal mono? I only ask that because I've seen people put many small holes in almost like SGFC.
Small holes is fine in theory as long as all have some polyfill.
A monotub that has empty holes (no polyfill) does not control air currents properly and will lead to substrate drying out. I do not consider these proper monotubs.
Initially I just crumbled and mixed with vermiculite. Worked quite well, don't expect a crazy boost though, since you aren't adding any nutrients. This makes this a pretty safe method and is the main reason I don't fruit cakes. I would expect some increase in yield due to a better environment (monotub over SGFC) and the extra water added from the dunk.
The extra vermiculite is dry and clean (not sterilized, but a run in the over could easily take care of that and alleviate any worries here) It is colonized very quickly because of this. The mix should be kept as dry as possible (and no FAE) at this stage to speed colonization.
Cakes just aren't the best thing for fruiting conditions (tend to dry out quickly especially), so I like to make whatever size trays I can with cakes instead.
This one was with 2 cakes and vermiculite.
Once the extra vermiculite is colonized I like to either dunk or mist very heavily. If misting, do it in intervals so the substrate can absorb the water, don't let pools form ever. The dunk (24 hours) is best here.
Once the substrate is hydrated it will be ready for fruiting conditions and within a week should have a decent pinset.
I am currently experimenting with spawning PF cakes to Coir with some vermiculite added.
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the_r3dz
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21502511 - 04/04/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you very much for the in-depth response. Do you use about equal amounts verm to spawn? I was planning on dunking the cakes before breaking them up, would it be better to skip that and wait until I can dunk the whole tray?
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: the_r3dz]
#21502536 - 04/04/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd say anything less than 50:50 is going to take too long to colonize. I like to do between 60%-75% spawn. Keep in mind, since you aren't adding nutrients, there isn't really a point to adding much vermiculite.
This isn't much different than crumbling cakes and fruiting them that way, I just prefer to do this because the mycelium need to heal after being broken up anyway so letting it colonize the vermiculite is a good way to do this I think. It also spreads out your substrate and give you a little more volume.
If you're going to break your cakes up, do it while they're dry.
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spacechildo
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21502792 - 04/04/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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no coir? I've been there dude, add coir!
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: spacechildo]
#21503294 - 04/04/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah I would also get some coir. Hpoo seems a little more tricky, but I consider it the next step.
You can buy a 5 kg block of coir and it's much cheaper by weight than bricks.
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NumeroEno
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Junior Fungus said: Yeah I would also get some coir. Hpoo seems a little more tricky, but I consider it the next step.
You can buy a 5 kg block of coir and it's much cheaper by weight than bricks.
There's nothing tricky about hpoo. I just crumble it, mix it 50/50 with verm, hydrate it to field capacity, load it into a spawn bag with the thermometer probe sticking out the top, and throw it in a stock pot of hot, but not quite boiling water. Once the temp hits about 130 I turn the heat off. 145-165 is a great temperature range for pasteurization, but I try to keep it between 145 and 155 for an hour. You turn the heat off at 130 because the external and core temps of the substrate need to equalize, like resting a beef roast
I might have to write up a tek. This way is so much simpler than pasteurizing in jars.
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: spacechildo]
#21503734 - 04/04/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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when to turn off heat is really individual, I use jars and my PC on my stove top (use PC as regular kettle, no actual PC'ing of course!) and I only let my temps rise by5-10F from room temp before turning off heat. that way it peaks around 155F give/take a few F's. CVGis still way more noob friendly IMO, but practice using CVG as if it were manure, so once you try manure you'll get it right with no hassle first try!
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: spacechildo]
#21503842 - 04/04/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: when to turn off heat is really individual, I use jars and my PC on my stove top (use PC as regular kettle, no actual PC'ing of course!) and I only let my temps rise by5-10F from room temp before turning off heat. that way it peaks around 155F give/take a few F's. CVGis still way more noob friendly IMO, but practice using CVG as if it were manure, so once you try manure you'll get it right with no hassle first try!
Yep, and hpoo is denser and in a single bag it takes longer to get the core temp up. I think I'm gonna start adding some straw and coir to the mix to make it a little lighter. I try to keep the water around 160, and shut off the heat when the core temp hits 130. It usually peaks at 160ish about 20 minutes after I turn the stove off and stays above 145 for a little over an hour. After it drops below 145 I take it out of the water and let it cool on a wire shelf.
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: NumeroEno]
#21503885 - 04/04/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't see the point of properly pasteurizing CVG, I just mixed manure and verm, got it to field cap and loaded up, temps rised FAST, I know people have very different mileage re water temp, core temp etc, thats what I'm trying to make a point of. A TEK for this could be a good starting point but I cant see it being universally suited for evryone.
I just mixed my manure and CVG after prepping them individually. I hate shredding manure and having it take up time and space in jars on stove doesnt seem worth it IMO.
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: the_r3dz]
#21504063 - 04/04/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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the_r3dz said: Thank you very much for the in-depth response. Do you use about equal amounts verm to spawn? I was planning on dunking the cakes before breaking them up, would it be better to skip that and wait until I can dunk the whole tray?
I'd vote crumble in a fresh Ziploc bag then dunk for 18-24hours. I feel increasing the surface area before dunking would be beneficial. That's just my 2 cents though.. an OG may correct me though.
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: spacechildo]
#21504122 - 04/04/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: no coir? I've been there dude, add coir!
I have one with coir that was put into colonization a few days ago. The vermiculite only thing is just my way around fruiting cakes.
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21505284 - 04/05/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think you'd love it if you added some coir. I used to do weird shit with cakes and verm.
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: spacechildo]
#21510830 - 04/06/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: I think you'd love it if you added some coir. I used to do weird shit with cakes and verm.
Like what? Yea, I have just started working with coir, don't currently have the spawn to do what I would like to so more jars! But I have 3 mini FCs running now so it's a lot more fun.
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21510841 - 04/06/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I meant just add coir to your verm when you play with cakes. I've filled all kinds of trays and ice cream buckets and plastic ware with cakes both whole and crumbled and just filled to the brink with verm Never fully colonized just started pinning from underneath the verm where the cakes was. That was a long timeago tho, luckily I found the shroomery at last!
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: spacechildo]
#21510876 - 04/06/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've mixed BRF cakes with just verm.. It works as a water reservoir mainly, and should be colonized rather quickly. You shouldn't use much verm when doing it. This isn't about the best way to do it. Just that a minimal extra step is required to make cakes easier to fruit in my opinion.
Coir is obviously beneficial, hopefully my mini mono I made with BRF/verm/coir won't contaminate and I'll have some pics to post.
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21510939 - 04/06/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said: I've mixed BRF cakes with just verm.. It works as a water reservoir mainly, and should be colonized rather quickly. You shouldn't use much verm when doing it. This isn't about the best way to do it. Just that a minimal extra step is required to make cakes easier to fruit in my opinion.
Coir is obviously beneficial, hopefully my mini mono I made with BRF/verm/coir won't contaminate and I'll have some pics to post.
My first successful grow was 2 mini monos of crumbled PF cakes spawned to coir. It's not a bad way to go IMO. I should have done a few more of those before switching to grains, and I might have not fucked up so many grows over the past 6 months
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: NumeroEno]
#21513027 - 04/06/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was thinking I'd do maybe 60/40 or 70/30 verm/coir. Thank you to everyone with all of the information.
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GreenRabbit
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Re: PF Tek is for Procrastinators! [Re: the_r3dz]
#21513033 - 04/06/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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What? No, if you use coir, just use normal bucket tek ratios for verm and coir. Then do about 60/40 Spawn/Coir and wait a week to colonize.
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