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EvilGir
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Ending Your life
#2148681 - 12/01/03 06:11 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok say you had no family or friends to hurt and after years of meditaion alone you decided to give up your life to try and transend from this world. You are perfectly happy and have no kinda of depresion. So would it be wrong to take your own lifeand and would this also be bad for you spiritualy ect ? Because I guess it would be a sybolic way of becoming enlighened because your willing to end the illusion.
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Positronius
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: EvilGir]
#2148695 - 12/01/03 06:24 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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what illusion? that you are alive? yes killing yourself would end the "illusion" of being alive, it would also end the "reality" of you being alive, which is a little more concrete than the "illusion". actually, life isnt an illusion at all, its very real. Im typing right now, electric impulses, I ate a chocolate chip muffin and I am drinking a coffee. All of this is very real. Its real to me, and its real to all the lifeforms that are aware of my existance.
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Yeah muffins are real!! And i am real.
chocolate chip muffin hmmm...
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it's not a question of whether its wrong or not, but whether how much life matters to you.
just be careful in what you mean by illusion and what you apply it to.
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eve69
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: kaiowas]
#2148730 - 12/01/03 07:34 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bad. You are not just a limited ego that can be cut off. No, you are a conglomeration of billions of lives throughout the four times of past, present, future, and timeless time. You are billions of things. You would cut off all those lives. Moreover, if you really are a person of subtlety who has meditated then you will be destroying very many very fine feeling creatures along with your ego. Best to just go to college, get a shitty job, or even go to the bar more, whatever, anything is better than dying. Death is...death. You take up right where you left off.
I have been told that one reincarnates rigtht where you leave off, but if you kill yourself you have to start over from scratch the next time. You have to do it all over again exactly the same as this time. There is no escape.
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: eve69]
#2148798 - 12/01/03 08:11 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eve; Don't believe everything you're told.
Suicide isn't something that can be answered by people on a message board. It must come from deep within.
I think first you must examine the reasons behind why you'd want to prematurely end your life...Life is short enough as it is.
In cases like this, as with getting a loan from a bank, you must fully understand the choice behind the decision.
Also realize, no matter what you believe in, there's no coming back from death. Whether or not something else exists beyond death is irrelevant, as is reincarnation, There will never be another you in any lifetime or other existence. When you're gone, that's the end of your chapter in the book of life.
But ultimately, the choice is yours and yours alone to make. If it's a choice you'll be happy with is up to fate.
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Positronius
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no, you cant really be "happy" when you committ suicide, because nothing is able to experience that happiness.
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: EvilGir]
#2149103 - 12/01/03 10:36 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why do it now? the world is about to end anyway... I'm banking on the 2012 thing. Don't you want to stick around for the end times, think about what you will miss seeing- THE END OF HUMANITY! If nothing happens by 2015 though then I would go for it, myself, I'm shooting smack, going on a drug binge, and calling it an experience.
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: EvilGir]
#2149547 - 12/01/03 01:50 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok say you had no family or friends to hurt and after years of meditaion alone you decided to give up your life to try and transend from this world. You are perfectly happy and have no kinda of depresion.
So would it be wrong to take your own lifeand and would this also be bad for you spiritualy ect ?
Because I guess it would be a sybolic way of becoming enlighened because your willing to end the illusion.
it is to the best of my knowledge that i have done this before. and if it wasnt for me retaining that knowledge. it would have been in waste of me doing so. besides my experience. its for you to decide the actions you take. keep in mind. before you die. do whatever youd like. whatever you have yet acomplished for yourself. and i dont mean, whatever you always wanted to do. like kill someone who hurt you, or something retarded. theres no need to disrupt someone else's pulse. i mean travel the world. or go white water rafting. what do you have to loose? if you know your already going to kill yourself. at least give yourself the experience you crave. and if you do not find in that satisfaction what was missing in the first place. then your decision is not final. the you, you know is final. but it is not an end. and getting out of that fake dark isnt easier any other time.
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: Monkah]
#2150151 - 12/01/03 05:43 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think when someone commits suicide, it is done with a very profound sense of pain, be it physical or mental. I see no reason for anyone to commit suicide just because they want to run away from this reality to a better one. What is pain for this people ? They have no pain at all, just the illusion of something they believe will happen after they die. Committing suicide for such reasons is a waste of life IMHO. MAIA
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: MAIA]
#2151086 - 12/01/03 11:22 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honestly, death is a natural process, and to be honest it's not a natural inclination to end it sooner on no special grounds. If you did it would be out of fear of the rest of your life. And while you have this choice, you always have free will, it will (if based on fear) be an act against your integrity [your charge or polarity or intuition] for which you must suffer a karmic burdon. Burdons like that will keep you from focusing on and achieving enlightnment/nirvana/satori/oneness/godhood/etc.
As for life being an illusion... Life in this reality is definately a reality, one of many realities one can experienec while their physical body is alive or not. It is a common view in the east that any and all of these realities are illusions, or distractions from achieving and maintianing perfect alignment/mergence with "god" or "the universe" or "eternity".
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EvilGir
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: jiva]
#2151115 - 12/02/03 05:37 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok the idea came from a film vanila Sky where at the end of the film to wake up from his dream world he had to jump of a skyscraper. Now this just got me thinking that if this world is just an illusion and there was no one around to be hurt by your own death then why would it be wrong to end this illusion and try wake up from this world. I guess it could be seen as some sort of depression and escape but it could also be seen as the ultimate sacrifise to fully let go of this materail world and to try and transend. Although if there where anyone alive that cared or loved you this would just creat too much bad karma and you would probably go to a bad place.
By the way i aint go no plans to ever do this cos yeah i wana live to 2012 and anyway I got better things to do. Not forgetting things are going well for me at them moment with uni and stuff plus I got lots more drugs to take and experience stuff. I wana live to at least 75 if the earth is still here.
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Jellric
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: EvilGir]
#2151321 - 12/02/03 08:47 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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[if] there was no one around to be hurt by your own death then why would it be wrong to end this illusion and try wake up from this world. Even if one had no family to be hurt, there is still the human family which could benefit from one's help. Everyone has something to give, whether it be tangible or not. So people one will never know will indeed be affected. Ok, so maybe you're not already helping people. Then why are you talking about "transcending" for yourself when you can be helping other people right here and now? The way to transcend the world is to stop being attached to fleeting materials things and start helping others. Our path lies through this world, not out of it. You were put here for a reason- not to check out prematurely. Nothing lasts forever, so endure life because it lasts only a blink of an eye in the face of eternity.
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Great Scott
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: Jellric]
#2152608 - 12/02/03 05:24 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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life is beneficial to your soul once you endure hardships (life is fuckin HARD) then you can fully appreciate the goodness and eternal bliss of the otherside
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: Jellric]
#2152779 - 12/02/03 06:42 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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You were put here for a reason- not to check out prematurely.
Yeah, those babies that die from S.I.D.S. really piss me off; checking out before they even start their mission - the cowards!
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: Swami]
#2152907 - 12/02/03 07:41 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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A few years back I wanted to kill myself because I was depressed and saw no reason to live anymore. I didn't care about afterlife or anything like that I just wanted to end the pain. Then after I got better I realised how stupid that was. Then a while back I was really interested in what is after death and I sort of wanted to kill myself just to find out but I know that would be stupid and if this is my only chance at life I might as well stay a while and have some fun first.
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There's plenty of chances. Suicide, however, is devolution.
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: Swami]
#2152959 - 12/02/03 08:00 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, those babies that die from S.I.D.S. really piss me off; checking out before they even start their mission - the cowards!
How do you know that SIDS wasn't their mission? (To all): nobody gets to die if theyre not supposed to. even if you manage to fuck God, it'll only be temporary. God is like a bookie that never forgets.
Edited by DoctorJ (12/02/03 08:15 PM)
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eve69
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: DoctorJ]
#2152998 - 12/02/03 08:07 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read that for humans life is always uphill, and for demons life is always downhill. So being human is never easy. If your life is difficult then you know at least you're still human.
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: eve69]
#2153015 - 12/02/03 08:11 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you talking about soliliquism (sp.?), the belief that everything is an illusion?
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: EvilGir]
#2153027 - 12/02/03 08:17 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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jezu said: Ok say you had no family or friends to hurt and after years of meditaion alone you decided to give up your life to try and transend from this world. You are perfectly happy and have no kinda of depresion.
So would it be wrong to take your own lifeand and would this also be bad for you spiritualy ect ?
Because I guess it would be a sybolic way of becoming enlighened because your willing to end the illusion.
Many of yous are responding to this question as if Jezu is actually contemplating ending his life, when his question actually appears to be rhetorical in context. It's a good question. Was answered almost adequately at one point.
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: Frog]
#2153062 - 12/02/03 08:26 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is an Indian (India not America) sect that believes that suicide can be a path to enlightenment. However, you must fast to death. This precludes any impulsive emotional act and gives one plenty of time to think, meditate and to back out if they so choose.
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: EvilGir]
#2153093 - 12/02/03 08:35 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anybody have that article about suicide rates and over population? Maybe its something in our genetics. It is true we have the ability to think, to rationalize, to make art, to destroy, to make war, to not act if we so choose, and to take our own life. We feel, we love, but how are we suppose to know that these things are not a part of the rest of the animal behavior? We are after all, animals, that is fact. We may not be savage and crazy, like the kids on lord of the flies. But its surprising to see how many people in our world act that way. With so many individuals, i can see what a burden this world would become. Who is to say if it is right or wrong, i cannot, these thigns happen, personally, i wish to stick it out, and do what i can. Shit sucks, but sometimes it will get better, plus i like looking at the sky too damn much to have my eyes rot out. I guess it all depends on what you hold on to, what you want to have, what you want to come about... I cannot put a cap on the human condition, it is too great, and too untamed to put a solid thought to it.
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: EvilGir]
#2153118 - 12/02/03 08:43 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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How about trading your life for another. Soul for a soul. Would that hinder or help ones soul?????????
How about going into war. Isn't that kinda considered suicide. Chances are your going to die. Even if you have a badass technology........
When is it suicied and when is it just reckless living. Think about all the people in history that lived an exciting, dangerous and definatley reckless life. They died young but definately not bored. From all the Conquerors to bank robbers to Alcoholics. Would those that died young from that reckless living be considered a suicide, since they didn't obviously try their hardest to make it to old age???????????????????????/
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Zero7a1
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slow suicide. I think so a lot of people want to die, and their lifestyle shows their lack of caring. My dad was a "great" example.
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Jellric
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: Zero7a1]
#2153303 - 12/02/03 09:40 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's an excerpt and link to an article on a guy and his recent suicide attempt: PARIS (Reuters) -"A Frenchman who burned his life savings to a cinder before swallowing two bottles of pills is facing life with an empty bank account after neighbors foiled his suicide attempt. The man, who lived alone, had cleared out his bank balance of 240,000 euros ($288,500) and set fire to the pile of 500 euro notes in his bath before swallowing the pills, hoping to leave nothing behind after his death." I'm sorry, but what a selfish fuck. Think of how many people could have been helped with almost three hundred thousand dollars! It just shows what is at the core of suicide amongst healthy individuals. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=st..._france_cash_dc
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: Jellric]
#2153368 - 12/02/03 09:56 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jellric said: Here's an excerpt and link to an article on a guy and his recent suicide attempt:
PARIS (Reuters) -"A Frenchman who burned his life savings to a cinder before swallowing two bottles of pills is facing life with an empty bank account after neighbors foiled his suicide attempt.
The man, who lived alone, had cleared out his bank balance of 240,000 euros ($288,500) and set fire to the pile of 500 euro notes in his bath before swallowing the pills, hoping to leave nothing behind after his death."
I'm sorry, but what a selfish fuck. Think of how many people could have been helped with almost three hundred thousand dollars! It just shows what is at the core of suicide amongst healthy individuals.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=st..._france_cash_dc
Common tho Jellric, don't u think u might be being a bit too judgemental... ? I mean u know nothing about this guy, what exactly was going thro his mind, or how much pain he was in...
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Jellric
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: lucid]
#2153382 - 12/02/03 10:03 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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Common tho Jellric, don't u think u might be being a bit too God, I hate quoting you in replies, lucid! I highlight the area of your post I want to quote, and it only captures one line at a time because of the way you post. Time-consuming. Wordwrap is your friend. I know it comes off as judgemental, but I'm sorry. I have no way of knowing what pressure the poor soul was under, but you have to take responsibility. Normally, killing yourself is selfish enough, but why take your money with you? Shows you he was only thinking of himself and his concerns..me MY MINE...
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Positronius
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Re: Ending Your life [Re: Jellric]
#2153532 - 12/02/03 10:50 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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eve69: I read that for humans life is always uphill, and for demons life is always downhill. So being human is never easy. If your life is difficult then you know at least you're still human.
oh, i must have missed that issue of readers digest!
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