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OfflineThisIzLeon
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Degraded 4-Aco-DMT
    #21483374 - 03/31/15 01:47 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Hello fellow psychonauts! I'm sorry if this is posted in the wrong section.

I was doing a huge clean out of my room the other day when I came across a long lost bag of 4 aco dmt, I remember buying it around 5-6 months ago.
The bag didn't look how I remembered it as the almost white powder had turned into a brown clumpy kind of substance that would crumble easy if handled.

After doing some research, I'm positive that it has degraded, I've read that it actually degrades into 4 HO DMT but I'm just looking for someone to confirm this as I'm interested in giving this a blast again as my last trip was incredible!
So my questions are;

1. Is it still safe (well as mentally safe as psychedelics can be) to consume?

2. I'm assuming it will have lost potency but I'm wondering how rapidly that happens?

3. Does it degrade to 4 HO DMT

4. Does anybody have any idea on how the degradation effects the dosage ?

Thanks for any and all help!
Peace!

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InvisibleBill_Oreilly
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Re: Degraded 4-Aco-DMT [Re: ThisIzLeon]
    #21483425 - 03/31/15 02:00 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I believe it does degrade to 4-ho-dmt. Im not 100%, though.


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Re: Degraded 4-Aco-DMT [Re: ThisIzLeon]
    #21484149 - 03/31/15 04:47 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

If I find the paper, I will link it, but it stated that 4-AcO-DMT IS active on it's own (O-Acetylpsilocin), and the whole "it turns into psilocin in your body" is not proven what so ever. I see this question a lot and there isn't really a lot of literature on it sadly :frown:

Coming from a chemistry standpoint, psilocybin is the phosphorated version of psilocin, while 4-aco-dmt is the o-acetylated version of psilocin. Psilocybin dephosphorates into psilocin in vivo, however there is nothing that shows o-acetylpsilocin (psilocetin) deacetylates into psilocin.

I have a friend who ordered some 4-aco-dmt a little while back and said the trip was a lot more euphoric and less visual than mushrooms. He also said it didn't have the heavy feeling shrooms give at all. He also said there was NO nausea with the drug, compared to shrooms.


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InvisibleBill_Oreilly
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Re: Degraded 4-Aco-DMT [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21486748 - 04/01/15 08:24 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

If i had to bet..i would bet that it is active on its own.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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OfflineThisIzLeon
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Re: Degraded 4-Aco-DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21486953 - 04/01/15 09:44 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you for your replies!

I'm 99% sure that it's still active even though it's degraded, quite a few people have told me this.

Tonight I'm going to try what would be a threshold dose of 4 Aco DMT and see how it goes, I'll keep this thread updated with my experience!

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OfflineGoddessOfLove
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Re: Degraded 4-Aco-DMT [Re: ThisIzLeon]
    #21487119 - 04/01/15 10:33 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Will be safe, degraded to Psilocin.

I ate myself brown/goo 4-ACO-DMT and everything is fine, it's just oxydation.


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