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Objective Vs. Subjective
    #21480298 - 03/30/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

When a student asked the professor, "What is our exam going to be like?"  and she replied, "50 multiple choice objective questions", it made me wonder what is the difference between subjective and objective?  This website actually explains it pretty well.

https://www.lib.odu.edu/genedinfolit/1infobasics/subjective_vs_objective.html


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Re: Objective Vs. Subjective [Re: BlankCheck]
    #21518543 - 04/08/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I always had a problem with calling the computer graded part of the test objective, but that is common usage.
   
    I think the link is clear as mud. Objectivity and subjectivity have definitions in the philosophy of knowledge, but in any real world application it gets fuzzy and frequently today's objective knowledge is yesterday's subjective knowledge that won a popularity contest.

    The link seems to view amateur scholarship as subjective and professional scholarship as objective. "Student research papers are usually subjective" "Encyclopedias and other reference works are objective". It relates analysis to subjectivity, but that is a half truth. The link does OK with intentions.
Objective information is intended to be unbiased. News reporters are supposed to be objective and report facts. Sounds nice, but people haven't believed this since the 1970's. Modern news is usually segmented for a an audience with specific political beliefs.

    Back to test questions. I think when your professor said 50 multiple choice objective questions, what she meant is there will be little time to argue about this when I hand the test back. If the questions were carefully selected/constructed they may be objective. I was using this educational software in 89-90 that primarily was for presentations but it also graded the multiple choice and true/false parts of the test. The program eliminated from grading any question that a large number of good performers got wrong. It basically did a lack of popularity contest, and ruled those questions not to be objective.

      Writing test questions, of whatever type, is challenging and when something is a challenge there are a lot of unsuccessful efforts. The best written questions stand the test of time, however old questions lead to cheating from old test files kept by fraternities and now on the internet. Some professors hand out copies of their old test early, which is good because the students can get familiarized with the test style. But then the instructor has to write all new questions. This results in questions that are phrased differently which sometimes makes them difficult to understand, and sometimes the questions are just dogs.


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Re: Objective Vs. Subjective [Re: Brian Jones]
    #21616636 - 04/30/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

From my experiences studying philosophy, the objective realm is the one that does not change as our minds do. Some objective facts for example:

1. The Earth revolves around the sun
2. 1+1=2
3. George Washington was the first president of the U.S.A

Some of these facts are called 'rational' and can be deduced rationally, like the second example. Mathematical truths can be known without experiencing the world. Other objective facts, like my first and third examples, however, are 'empirical,' which means they require an observation of the world in order to discover. We can never really 'know,' that these statements are true, but we tend to be fairly confident that they are. However, due to the fact that they are discovered through observation of the world, and given that out senses are not perfect, and that we are sometimes mistaken about what we see, hear, taste, touch etc. it is always possible that we are wrong, and we can never claim 'knowledge' in its entirety. Whether or not we can 'know' them however, these do not change as our perception does. If it is true that the Earth revolves around the sun, for example, then it is not dependent upon us believing that it is true. If everybody then stopped believing that the Earth revolved around the sun, or forgot that there even was an Earth and sun, it would still be a fact that the Earth revolves around the sun.

The subjective realm, on the other hand, consists of things that apply to an individual's experience. Some examples are:

1. My sister used to be lame, but now she is cool
2. My knee joints are the bane of my existence
3. I used to think that red was the best color, but now I think that green is

These 'facts' are obviously subject to changing. As my perception of the world changes, so do they. They are only true for me. It could be said that it is an objective fact that my favorite color is green, but my experiencing of green as the most enjoyable color is a subjective phenomenon, as is my experience of my sister's status changing, or my knee joints' effects on my consciousness.

That's my best attempt at explaining it. If you want to understand the objective realm a bit better I would look into mathematics, epistemology and science. If you want to understand the subjective realm a little better I would look into phenomenology.


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Re: Objective Vs. Subjective [Re: secondorder]
    #21621397 - 05/01/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Objective Vs. Subjective [Re: BlankCheck]
    #21624785 - 05/02/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Objective: facts
Subjective: opinionated "facts" (in quotes implying some personal bias precluding it as such)

People generally see their subjective view as correct and do not take others' into account.


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Re: Objective Vs. Subjective [Re: BlankCheck]
    #21632734 - 05/03/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think the other posters have nailed it. Reliant on personal experience would be very much subjective. Although to twist the definition a little more, perhaps they could be hinting about the questions not being dependent on other factors? E.g. gravity moves objects towards the center of the earth irrespective of anything else
As opposed to asking in which direction an object would move when placed between two objects of a particular mass etc.

Sorry if that was unclear, but essentially I'm saying 'objective' may refer to discrete facts and knowledge, rather than calculations


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