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Moonshoe
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Yeah I believe people who say they have bad kratom withdrawal but I also believe all the people who don't , myself included. I don't believe bad kratom withdrawal is inevitable I think different people react very differently some are prone to bad krat wd and some are almost immune to it
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Re: Kratom Withdrawal [Re: Moonshoe]
#21471986 - 03/28/15 09:30 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have bought quality product 2 or 3 different times and the only high I get is the horrible nausea, diarrhea and one of the worst headaches ever. It only helps me during opiate withdrawals and somehow doesn't get me sick then.
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Moonshoe
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What makes you think it was quality product ?
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Re: Kratom Withdrawal [Re: Moonshoe]
#21472007 - 03/28/15 09:37 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm goin through the opposite kinda. I've been taking it daily for a week now but I went cold turkey since taking it started giving me negative side effects. Idk why? But my parents have told me that they've been taking it for 2 weeks with no problems. Guess I just need a break.
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Re: Kratom Withdrawal [Re: Moonshoe]
#21472041 - 03/28/15 09:47 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Moonshoe said: What makes you think it was quality product ?
Personal research.
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Re: Kratom Withdrawal [Re: aler]
#21472076 - 03/28/15 09:59 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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OK, I'm gonna lay down some facts for ya'll. I did K from around 2004 to 2011 at least 6 times a day everyday! I bought it in capsule form due to the convenience of being able to down 10-14 capsule very quickly and I could do it pretty much anywhere I wanted. If people asked what I was doing I just said I was doing my daily dose of antioxidants for the day So when I finally left the military I found myself in a position where I was unable to get any. Now I've experienced withdraws from hardcore opiates like oxycontin oxymorophone and also diacetylmorphine so I was no stranger to it. In some ways it was WORST than the harder opiates that I had previously done, the restless legs that are common with detoxing was way worst from K, I even had restless ARMS that drove me without a doubt beyond crazy The good thing about it was it only lasted about 5 days then I was pretty much back to 100%. All the other symptoms were easily manageable like chills,stomach issues and sneezing. The only other problem I had was the depression that kicked in after about a week and lasted a good 2 months, it was to the point to where I was 100% confident I was the biggest POS on the planet and didn't deserve to be alive so yea, it was pretty crushing All in all I would rate it at a 4 with oxycontin WD being a 10. Hope this helps
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Re: Kratom Withdrawal [Re: Noble]
#21473527 - 03/29/15 08:30 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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The insomnia is wild but just a few caps will cure it for me. Do that for a few days without dosing through the day and you can come off smooth. It's expensive when you have a heavy habit and doesn't even really get you that high when you use it a lot. Better than nothing but i think i'll ween off this last pack. I pay £45 for 250g. I want a kilo sack for £50 really.
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Midnight_Toker
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Re: Kratom Withdrawal [Re: Mike_yy]
#21473548 - 03/29/15 08:37 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can find a much better deal than 45 pounds for 250g, even if you have to pay the shipping to import a kilo from North America or Indonesia.
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I got the source from a friend. It's really fine powdered stuff. The leafy stuff i had from another vendor gave me terrible nausea so i stuck with the second source since it worked much better. I'll have a look around and see what i can find. Thanks !
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Moonshoe
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Re: Kratom Withdrawal [Re: Mike_yy]
#21473693 - 03/29/15 09:28 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would imagine an etiz at bed time would stop both the insomnia and the twitch limbs .
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Re: Kratom Withdrawal [Re: Moonshoe]
#21473722 - 03/29/15 09:38 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Never tried. Maybe Flubromazolam would as well. It's a very distinctive hardcore insomnia. No way in hell you will get to sleep. Just a little bit of Kratom and you'll be out in 20 minutes.
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Re: Kratom Withdrawal [Re: yogabunny]
#21473878 - 03/29/15 10:20 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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yogabunny said: Kind of unrelated question, but while there are so many kratom experts in one place :
Does kratom cause someone to test positive for opiates on a piss test?
I probably go through 15-25 grams a day. I definitely tested positive for Methadone at a time when I had no connection with any opiates at one point.
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Re: Kratom Withdrawal [Re: Snotfish]
#21473887 - 03/29/15 10:22 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kratom causing false positive for done? Damn thats a new one to me.
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Midnight_Toker
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I gave kratom to a friend once and he tested positive for coke the next day. Sometimes I think it's just coincidence that people get false positives after doing kratom. They are false after all.
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I think it has to deal with the fact that kratom is loaded with so many different alkaloids. Test simply gets confused.
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Re: Kratom Withdrawal [Re: Snotfish]
#21474494 - 03/29/15 01:05 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wonder if the false positive is actually caused by the kratom or just a coincidence
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I have no idea whatsoever what alkaloids in Kratom would cause DT positives for methadone, much less cocaine. The main alkaloid that is known to give you the euphoric, opioid type feeling is Mitragynine which AFAIK is not detectable by an opiate panel test (urine or hair follicle).
Mitragynine was first fully synthesized in 1995 (source) and as of the past few years there are many chemists synthesizing pure Mitragynine to study it as well as to add to the enhanced Kratom powders/tinctures available.
Anyways, I just wanted to chime in on the W/D aspect of this plant. For the past couple years I consumed 250g's over the course of 6-7 days and then would take at least a 3 week break. After going from roughly 50g's a day to nothing in a week, I'd always experience around 24+ hours or so of lethargy and decreased appetite.
A month and a half ago I went through 1KG of 3 different strains (White horned Borneo, red horned, and another red I can't recall) over 3 weeks. Once the KG was gone I experienced around 72 hours of very mild opioid W/D's. Comparing it to traditional opiates such as oxycodone or heroin, the amount of discomfort on a scale of 1-10 for Kratom would be a 3 while consumption of oxy/heroin over the same times-span would be a 6 or 7.
The potency of each batch of Kratom is directly linked to the potency of W/D's as should be expected. I've found it really useful that my current vendor provides alkaloid concentration info sheets for each strain (request one next time you order from your vendor). Makes dosing a lot less finicky trying different amounts when you have all the information in front of you.
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Moonshoe said: Never noticed any digestive issues coming off kratom but it keeps me very regular.
I feel like you all think i a troll . Trust me the physical addiction will become full blown if you continue with constant use /end ignorehurt
I don't think anyone thinks you're a troll. Many people react differently than you did, that's all. Some people have had very bad withdrawal from kratom, it's just much more rare than say, oxy or heroin withdrawal.
Ya i guess i just want others to look at their use and realize it can get worse the more you use it just because youve been at it for a while maybe 15 or more grams a day. Cause thats where i was and quitting was easy . But after going to 30g a more a day for over a year wd symptoms had become drastically more severe.
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See my journal entry including tolerance reduction and dependence reversal.
6 or 7 targets and the herbs that interact.
Http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=21357863&page=0&vc=1
L-Theanine helps getting through withdrawals, B6 enhances effectiveness.
Toss n wash is the only way that gives me obvious negative sides; pains in my right side and constipation are rare side effects that almost never occur without a toss and wash. I do a freeze thaw on the powder in an attempt to burst cell walls and mix into hot raw cacao with Maca and the other herbs.
I've worked with the leaf a few years usually sticking to 3 or sometimes 4 days a week and only once on those days at about a tablespoon or less. Rarely will I do 3 days in a row, but then I'll have to take several off. Occassionally a day without a runny nose or urge to indulge will pass... I enjoy microdosing mushrooms intermittently. I take longer breaks occasionally and rotate strains to help keep things fresh.
I think of Salvia (Kappa opioid agonist like Ibogaine) as my opioid addiction "reset" button... and it's not even on the journal page yet.
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Re: Kratom Withdrawal [Re: Moonshoe]
#21787800 - 06/10/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sorry for the lateness... Been gone for long periods of time... Back again.
My friend YES DOES have a history of opiate abuse. He has been off of intravenous heroin use for two years, now addicted terribly to Kratom. He for all purposes replaced one addiction with the other.
Funny now that I think about it... All three people I have met and known to be addicted to kratom and suffer from it's withdrawals have had significant opiate abuse in their pasts.
The mu and agonist receptors in the brain are probably doing all kinds of terrible things when the kratom gets taken away. I know Kratom has an agonist in it naturally...
I would want to hear from somebody who claims to be addicted and suffer withdrawals but has NEVER abused opiates.
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