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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: Bikerfool]
#21472481 - 03/28/15 10:20 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I completely agree.. Of course common ag practices are hella killing other life forms\food sources..natural balances etc.
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: Bikerfool]
#21472511 - 03/28/15 10:24 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bikerfool said: I bet any of the thousands of people currently dying of starvation would be happy to consume food treated with herbicide or food that has been genetically modified.
that's the thing, his interview was regarding golden rice, something greenpeace demanded kenya ban from importation which will result in blindness in infants and the deaths of millions over the next few decades, sygenta who developed it made the patent to a non-profit organization so it wouldnt see resistance in saving lives and the eyesight of millions of children and of course these environmental fuckheads have done all they can to fight against it simply because it's not 'natural'
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This isn't good enough, let's hate science and go back to the dark ages.
the funny thing is these same tards that oppose the GMOs and claim that scientists are on the dole form big corporations, that the thousands of studies on these products are bullshit because monsanto funded them (even when they didnt), are the same tards that swear the science behind global warming is real even though this will be a trillion dollar industry when the legislation is passed
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21472540 - 03/28/15 10:35 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mmmm organophosphates
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21472767 - 03/29/15 12:09 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bikerfool said: I bet any of the thousands of people currently dying of starvation would be happy to consume food treated with herbicide or food that has been genetically modified.
that's the thing, his interview was regarding golden rice, something greenpeace demanded kenya ban from importation which will result in blindness in infants and the deaths of millions over the next few decades, sygenta who developed it made the patent to a non-profit organization so it wouldnt see resistance in saving lives and the eyesight of millions of children and of course these environmental fuckheads have done all they can to fight against it simply because it's not 'natural'
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This isn't good enough, let's hate science and go back to the dark ages.
the funny thing is these same tards that oppose the GMOs and claim that scientists are on the dole form big corporations, that the thousands of studies on these products are bullshit because monsanto funded them (even when they didnt), are the same tards that swear the science behind global warming is real even though this will be a trillion dollar industry when the legislation is passed
DON'T EVEN TRY AND ARGUE THESE BASTARDS EVEN GIVE ONE FUCKING SHIT ABOUT LIFE IN GENERAL. THEY TRIED TO GIVE US THE TERMINATOR GENES YEARS AGO THAT WOULD HAVE SPREAD TO ORGANIC CROP GENETICS. THAT IS A FACT PROVEN AGAIN AND AGAIN BY THE AMOUNT OF FARMERS WHO GET SUED EVERY YEAR FOR STOCKPILING MONSANTO GENES EVEN THOUGH THEY NEVER BOUGHT SEEDS FROM THEM. THEIR NEIGHBORS DID. THE ONLY THING THEY CARE ABOUT IS MONEY. THEY TRY AND MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK LIKE FUCKING SAINTS WHEN IT WAS LARGE AG CORPORATIONS WHO GAVE LOANS FOR SEEDS, CHEMICALS, AND EQUIPMENT NOT NATIVE TO AFRICA AND THEN FORCED FARMERS TO NOT GROW THEIR OWN DROUGHT RESISTANT STAPLE FOODS LARGE SCALE LIKE CASAVA. DEBT AND FOOD PRODUCTION CAN BE USED AS NASTY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. JUST ASK RONALD REAGAN.
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passifloracaerulea said: THAT IS A FACT PROVEN AGAIN AND AGAIN BY THE AMOUNT OF FARMERS WHO GET SUED EVERY YEAR FOR STOCKPILING MONSANTO GENES EVEN THOUGH THEY NEVER BOUGHT SEEDS FROM THEM.
that's an absolute load of shit and was shown in the court cases, you'd have known it had you read up on the cases, they were sued because they had bought and used the seed and then saved seed from their harvests for use the following years without paying royalties on the patent which is why monsanto had won those cases, just because you're told what to believe doesnt mean you need to believe it without first checking the facts
here's the one that became the source of this false claim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc_v_Schmeiser
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Monsanto Canada Inc v Schmeiser [2004] 1 S.C.R. 902, 2004 SCC 34 is a leading Supreme Court of Canada case on patent rights for biotechnology, between a Canadian canola farmer, Percy Schmeiser, and the agricultural biotechnology company Monsanto. The court heard the question of whether Schmeiser's intentionally growing genetically modified plants constituted "use" of Monsanto's patented genetically modified plant cells. By a 5-4 majority, the court ruled that it did.[1] The case drew worldwide attention and is widely misunderstood to concern what happens when farmers' fields are accidentally contaminated with patented seed. However by the time the case went to trial, all claims had been dropped that related to patented seed in the field that was contaminated in 1997; the court only considered the GM canola in Schmeiser's 1998 fields, which Schmeiser had intentionally concentrated and planted from his 1997 harvest. Regarding his 1998 crop, Schmeiser did not put forward any defence of accidental contamination
here's another
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowman_v._Monsanto_Co.
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Bowman v. Monsanto Co. is a United States Supreme Court patent decision in which the Court unanimously affirmed the Federal Circuit and held that patent exhaustion does not permit a farmer to reproduce patented seeds through planting and harvesting without the patent owner's permission. The decision was in favor of the plaintiff and patent owner, Monsanto. The case garnered an attention in part of its potential impact on genetic and self-replicating technologies and political concerns over the passage of a bill drafted in part by Monsanto and Justice Clarence Thomas, who previously served as a lawyer for Monsanto. The narrow scope of the ruling made the impact of the case very small, and specifically avoided setting a broad legal precedent.
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THE ONLY THING THEY CARE ABOUT IS MONEY. THEY TRY AND MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK LIKE FUCKING SAINTS WHEN IT WAS LARGE AG CORPORATIONS WHO GAVE LOANS FOR SEEDS, CHEMICALS, AND EQUIPMENT NOT NATIVE TO AFRICA AND THEN FORCED FARMERS TO NOT GROW THEIR OWN DROUGHT RESISTANT STAPLE FOODS LARGE SCALE LIKE CASAVA. DEBT AND FOOD PRODUCTION CAN BE USED AS NASTY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. JUST ASK RONALD REAGAN.
I see, so this is about the 'evil corporate giants that make profits', you believe farmers were somehow forced not to grow their native foods like cassava that was actually not native to the region but brought to the continent by the Portuguese from Brazil. an interesting point to note is that cassava contains a cyanogenic compound (yeah, fucking cyanide) and that during times of drought it becomes more concentrated, that in it's self suggests that it's a nasty weapon of mass destruction on it's own
you seem to have a heavily distorted version of the facts
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21472880 - 03/29/15 01:10 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Casava is only one example, and the farmer's cases you quoted are cherry picked for your convenience and Monsanto's. American Farmers have been hit with slap suits that keep them from talking to the media, but releases them of restitution to Monsanto. They do this to hundreds of farmers every year, not just the initial cases in 199fucking8. Grow some god damned cherry trees pris!
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passifloracaerulea said: I'll make it easy for you pris. Have fun! https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=monsanto+sues+american+farmers
hahaha... you mean you'll try and make it easy on yourself, talk about a serious case of pussying out. how about linking to the actual court case on wikipedia where thing are as you claim, surely it will be there unless you believe that there is some grand conspiracy and monsanto sued wikipedia to remove all the negative shit
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American Farmers have been hit with slap suits that keep them from talking to the media, but releases them of restitution to Monsanto
the actual court cases are public record, why not post up those actual court cases
unless you cant, then we will accept that your argument is invalid and completely fictitious, that you simply choose to believe what you're told about the big old evil monsatan
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#21473023 - 03/29/15 02:22 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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passifloracaerulea said: I'll make it easy for you pris. Have fun! https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=monsanto+sues+american+farmers
hahaha... you mean you'll try and make it easy on yourself, talk about a serious case of pussying out. how about linking to the actual court case on wikipedia where thing are as you claim, surely it will be there unless you believe that there is some grand conspiracy and monsanto sued wikipedia to remove all the negative shit
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American Farmers have been hit with slap suits that keep them from talking to the media, but releases them of restitution to Monsanto
the actual court cases are public record, why not post up those actual court cases
unless you cant, then we will accept that your argument is invalid and completely fictitious, that you simply choose to believe what you're told about the big old evil monsatan
sounds more like you're copping out of the responsibility to inform yourself on the basics of the topic at hand.
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: Adolin] 2
#21473042 - 03/29/15 02:38 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gresh said: sounds more like you're copping out of the responsibility to inform yourself on the basics of the topic at hand.
so asking someone to prove their absurd claims after I've already shown that it's false is copping out? like seriously, when do people pay restitution when they've done nothing wrong? why is it that if there are hundreds of these cases each year there's only 147 lawsuits filed by monsanto in 18 years with only 9 ever going to court and since those 9 were not out of court settlements have those 9 people lost their cases not been public with the transcripts proving they are innocent
what it sounds like to me is that you're just as poorly informed as many others that speak out against the giant, evil monsatan
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#21473049 - 03/29/15 02:42 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gresh said: sounds more like you're copping out of the responsibility to inform yourself on the basics of the topic at hand.
what it sounds like to me is that you're just as poorly informed as many others
i never claimed to be totally informed. read by post
im just pointing out that you obviously aren't informed either, and aren't will to be even if an easy way to do it is presented to you
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: Bikerfool] 2
#21473092 - 03/29/15 03:27 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bikerfool said: I bet any of the thousands of people currently dying of starvation would be happy to consume food treated with herbicide or food that has been genetically modified.
The world is grossly overpopulated, without herbicides and genetic modification we would likely only be able to grow a fraction of the food that is currently being produced.
If everyone quit their day jobs and grew their own food it would be a different story.
Life spans are greater than than they've ever been, quality of life has sky rocketed in the last 100 years, and we live in one of the most peaceful periods of time in history.
This isn't good enough, let's hate science and go back to the dark ages.
I agree
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: Bikerfool]
#21473122 - 03/29/15 03:55 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Call me a jerk, but I'm all for fucking with a Monsanto lobbyist
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I don't agree completely, I agree that technology is essential to farming - however the current technology and methods are oft largely unsustainable & are destroying agricultural land and killing off huge tracts of the ocean (which fortunately is reversible, we just can't dump so much fertilizer into the ocean...) - I doubt most large farms even compost or use their waste beneficially
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: twighead]
#21473199 - 03/29/15 05:12 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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 And even if there was more gmo being cultivated and better crops appear I don't think those people will benefit; They are starving cause they are poor not because their isn't enough food. Tons of food get destroyed daily. And Monsanto will never just give their seeds or technology away to the starving masses. It's just some bs they use "ooh think about those poor starving people we're going to feed with our product" yeah right...
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: Dekozn]
#21473214 - 03/29/15 05:23 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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This goes here:
Chief's common sense > Medical officer's propaganda inspired opinion.
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: Stonehenge]
#21473324 - 03/29/15 06:45 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you think MDMA gets plants high?
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: fapjack] 1
#21473331 - 03/29/15 06:50 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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totally :venusflytrapmusic:
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: memes]
#21473351 - 03/29/15 07:03 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Point was plants have different enzymes/proteins than animals do. Just because something will kill a plant doesn't mean it will kill an animal and vice versa, some chemicals kill some animals but not others. It depends on their genes.
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Re: Monsanto lobbyist make fool of himself [Re: Dekozn]
#21473555 - 03/29/15 08:40 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dekozn said: And even if there was more gmo being cultivated and better crops appear I don't think those people will benefit; They are starving cause they are poor not because their isn't enough food. Tons of food get destroyed daily. And Monsanto will never just give their seeds or technology away to the starving masses. It's just some bs they use "ooh think about those poor starving people we're going to feed with our product" yeah right...
Very true. twig had a good post too
"I don't agree completely, I agree that technology is essential to farming - however the current technology and methods are oft largely unsustainable & are destroying agricultural land and killing off huge tracts of the ocean (which fortunately is reversible, we just can't dump so much fertilizer into the ocean...) - I doubt most large farms even compost or use their waste beneficially "
Asante, that was a great clip you linked us to. At least the guy promoting that crap had the courage to eat some of it. I wonder how he did later on? Pris of course defends Monsanto and the doctor lobbyist who wouldn't drink a drop of the crap
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