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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: sirreal]
    #2198903 - 12/24/03 12:16 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: valour]
    #2348916 - 02/18/04 05:36 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

There have been over 20 deaths with this diet already... I can't believe people are still doing it


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: teen]
    #2349546 - 02/18/04 10:03 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Twenty people?
Which people?
What were the circumstances?
Have any sources?


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: valour]
    #2349837 - 02/18/04 11:25 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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LiquidSmoke (who is in med school) said:
There's a SHITLOAD of reasons why the atkins diet is bad for you.

Sure one of the big reasons is the fact that you're only eating protein-rich foods with SHITLOADS of fat that cranks your liver to secret every last drop of its bile acids and completeley kills your kidneys.

Eating all that meat leads to WAY TOO much protein consumption. This leads to too much damn nitrogen that your kidneys have to convert into urea. Exhausting your vital organs is never a good idea.

If you're on Atkins, you'll probably notice you ALSO FART alot more than usual. That's because what proteins you don't digest end up in your colon with bacteria just waiting to convert all that into some NICE HEAVING FART GAS.

Colonic fermentation = not fun.


But the MAIN harm comes from NOT EATING any fucking carbs. You realize your body is naturally designed to rely on +50% of all its energy based on carbs? And most of that goes to running your BRAIN.

When your body's forced to convert alternate food sources into glucose (main energy form used by your brain) you'll end up wearing down alot of your digestive functions and end up with a surplus of this nasty little toxic chemical we call Ketone bodies.

Dying of starvation isn't due to a lack of energy source. You're actually dying by toxic levels of ketone bodies depleting your cells from respirating. Have fun with that.





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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: Shroomism]
    #2349888 - 02/18/04 11:38 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

its all about eating the right type of fats. if u alot of fish and olive oil wich are high in omega fatty acids it will actually lower your cholesterol. and thus lower your risk for heart problems.

atkins also lowers blood pressure because of the constant slow supply of protein rather than sharp up and down with carbs.

also atkins is not supposed to cutt ALL carbs just alot.

your body turns protien into energy just like glucose so that is just silly.

and of course u should be watched by a doctor on any diet. and use common sense. im not on it myself but have seen great things with loved ones. and instead of killing 20 people (which how can u prove that beause they probably had problems before from over weight) it probably saved alot of lives as well.

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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: the man]
    #2350772 - 02/18/04 02:38 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

*nod* exactly -- there are doctors who are in favor of it. I'm sure LiquidSmoke is smart, but it's one medical opinion. The Atkins Diet is about a temporary removal of carbs, then reduced intake -- the 'maintenance level' involves more fruits and vegetables than the standard US diet.


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: the man]
    #2351868 - 02/18/04 07:05 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

That's probably true, eating fish and veggies cooked in olive oil has to better for you than a big hunk of pork and veggies cooked in lard, although I believe both are considedred atkins friendly.

I always thought this atkins thing sounded unhealthy from day one, but it's probably better for you than most methods people have tried to lose weight fast (i.e. eating huge amounts of ephedrine and nothing else...  :tongue:)


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: Shroomism]
    #2352861 - 02/19/04 12:24 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

I think Liquid smoke summed it up perfectly. What he says has a lot of merit. Protein has a metabolizable energy of 5.2Kcal/g but only a digestable energy of 4.0Kcal/g. The difference for carbs is far less since they lack the nitrogen, and if you load down your body with protein your kidneys are going to take a beating. Well I guess I was just reiterating, liquid knows his stuff.


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2352905 - 02/19/04 12:38 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

but it is unlikely under proper circumstances that will be a problem. while of course no carbs is bad reducing the intake alot is helpfull to alot of people.

also that is why its important to eat fats with teh protein and not just protien

and alot of carbs we eat contain amino acids in wrong amounts which can make your thought processes slower, and a few other problems. its all give and take. its all about knowing your body.

plus people are able to control there blood pressure. and then they can get off of diaretics which are not good on the kidneys either. nor are other heart meds.

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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: the man]
    #2353771 - 02/19/04 06:36 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

I would never go on Atkins not only because I loathe eating the meat of mammals, but I would also NOT torture my colon/liver/kidneys/health in general with the LOADS of foreign hormones and antibiotics that you would constantly be introducing into your system.  I have a bad feeling that we're going to find out this diet seriously fucks you up in a few years.  "Eat as much meat as you want..." Gluttony is not the path to healthy living  :nonono: :rolleyes: :lol:


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: Organic]
    #2354267 - 02/19/04 10:20 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

All good foods are full of carbs.

Bread, potatoes, rice and pasta.

What would I eat if I couldnt have sandwhiches, pizza, spaghetti or chineese food?

Just about all of my favorite foods are high in carbs.


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: the man]
    #2354574 - 02/19/04 11:53 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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and alot of carbs we eat contain amino acids in wrong amounts which can make your thought processes slower, and a few other problems. its all give and take. its all about knowing your body.



Carbs dont contain any amino acids, seeing that they lack nitrogen.


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2354578 - 02/19/04 11:55 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

what makes your though processes slower is ketosis, your brain has to utilize Essential fatty acids instead of carbs to function properly.


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2354892 - 02/19/04 01:27 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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and alot of carbs we eat contain amino acids in wrong amounts which can make your thought processes slower, and a few other problems. its all give and take. its all about knowing your body.



Carbs dont contain any amino acids, seeing that they lack nitrogen.




well not strain carbs. but grains and such. i wasnt clear i guess. where do u think that animals get protein? and yes wheat does have inproper amounts and high levels of tryptophan and it causes slower reaction time.

but again its definatly not for everyone. some people it benifits. its way out of control and to many people "think" there on it just buy eating no carbs but thats not the diet. the hype makes it soudn liek its good for everyone anytime. but its not. and yea never follow the hype but if done properly on the right people it works. just liek alot of different diets. there are many body types which have evolved from different diets in different reagions and lifestyles. one example is the native americans. there is a huge problem with diabetes now. why? because there bodies evolved to be able to eat once in awhile. this was good for there lifestyle. but now with tonnes of food all teh time, it causes obeisity and diabetes.

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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: valour]
    #2355451 - 02/19/04 03:37 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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*nod* exactly -- there are doctors who are in favor of it. I'm sure LiquidSmoke is smart, but it's one medical opinion.





First of all, doctor's don't know SHIT about atkins they can act like they do as much as possible, but they're NOT THE PEOPLE TO ASK ABOUT THIS SORT OF THING.


ASK A NUTRITIONIST.

Like THIS lady: http://nutrition.berkeley.edu/directory/professors_fleming.html

Someone whose devoted their entire lives to research on weight loss, NOT a medical doctor who probably only took nutritional science courses for about 2-3 semesters throughout their pre-med and medical education.

Oh, and professor fleming is also one of the 2 lead nutritional researchers we have at U.C. Berkeley. She TAUGHT these md's all they know about nutrition, which isn't very much.

Ok, I'm going to put this subject to rest, once and for all.

I sat down with professor fleming just today and asked her exactly what SHE thought about the Atkins diet. (She teaches t he graduate nutri-sci course i'm taking).

THis is a lil paraphrase of what she talked about.

-The entire diet is a money-maker, plain and simple. Sells books, sells certain foods, sells guides to those books, etc.

-If you look at the past century, there have been shitloads of diet fads out there that have their claim towards science, but people will soon learn from the downsides of those diets, and just like any of those fads, the Atkins diet will fade.

-There IS no new major scientific breakthrough that makes the atkins diet "special" compared to any of these other fads.

-(she talked alot about the science behind it, as mentioned in my previous quoted post)

-While you DO end up losing some of your body fat with the diet, the amount is slow, very inefficient, and you lose MORE fat just by eating LESS of the foods that the Atkins diet places you on.

-The MAJORITY(~95%) of the weight you are losing is NOT your body fat, it is simply WATER. Since your body is using up all those carbs, which are suspended/stored in your body's aqueous storage, you end up losing alot of water. MOSTLY water. This ALSO why when you're ON the atkins diet, you INITIALLY lose alot of weight, but that weight loss ceases after a short period of time. All water.

-Use common sense for a second. You're eating fats, fats, proteins, more fats. How could that possibly be good for you?

-You don't LOSE cholesterol. You just deplete the "good" cholesterol and increase the saturation of the "bad" cholesterol, aka the type that actually STAYS clogging your arteries.

-"People need to stop thinking 'what can i eat to lose weight' and start thinking 'what can i eat LESS OF to lose weight"


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #2355532 - 02/19/04 03:49 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

thats interestign about the water thing. that could be why it helps so much on blood pressure. duh. haha.

but what explains the increase in energy?

i think the reason it works is because the lower intake of tottal calories because of the inability to absorb them all.


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: the man]
    #2355559 - 02/19/04 03:55 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

There is no increase in energy. You're lowering your blood glucose level rediculously. Placebo.


As for the caloric intake, you DO increase your overal intake, but the efficiency of that absorbtion is decreased greatly, and what it endsu p doing is displacing your body from metabolizing most nutrient-rich products.


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #2355964 - 02/19/04 05:22 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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As for the caloric intake, you DO increase your overal intake, but the efficiency of that absorbtion is decreased greatly, and what it endsu p doing is displacing your body from metabolizing most nutrient-rich products.




right u do intake more but cant turn them into energy as easy. thats what i meant.
its a user friendly diet. eat the same but get less. kinda liek those pills that absorb fat.(i wonder how bad u would get teh runs with those pills? haha)


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: the man]
    #2356324 - 02/19/04 06:41 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, it's an easy way to lose weight.


But you don't really lose fat or even LOOK more in shape or anything.


Woman calls me at the clinic

Woman: What can I eat to lose weight?

Me:.....

Me:You got running shoes?

Woman: Yeah.

Me: Try those out.

Woman: What, eating the shoes?

Me: .....


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Re: ATKINS diet [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #2358277 - 02/20/04 06:50 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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Woman calls me at the clinic

Woman: What can I eat to lose weight?

Me:.....

Me:You got running shoes?

Woman: Yeah.

Me: Try those out.

Woman: What, eating the shoes?

Me: .....



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Isnt their some diet out their, like the new florida or hollywood diet or something thats 1/2 atkins and 1/2 common sence?

Their was something about it on the news and it sounded like exactly what everyone knows.  Exercise more, eat right, drink water, quit bad habits. 

Too bad they dont have a marketing program like the Atkins people do.


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